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Forum topic by MJM305 posted 01-29-2010 01:52 PM 2469 views 0 times favorited 7 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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MJM305

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01-29-2010 01:52 PM

Hello, I am new to the forum, although I have been browsing the forum for some time now. I am from Urbana, IL and would consider myself to be the hobby woodworker. I apologize for the following long post, but I am in need of some advise/guidance with my table saw.

I have run into an issue with my new table saw, a Craftsman model 21833, that I need some help on. I am trying to get the alignment set right, it was supposed to come set at the factory, however it was out at the rear of the blade by 1/16 of an inch. I followed the directions in the manual and have not had much success.

I did an internet search as to the best way to align the saw with minimal effort and I recently purchased the PALS system for the saw. I started out with the 5/16” kit because the instructions said if the saw was imported this was the kit I needed (back of the kit said “Made in China”. That arrived and I realized I needed the 3/8” kit, because the trunion is mounted with 3/8” bolts. I ordered the 3/8” kit and intend to return the other kit.

I went to install the new kit and have run into an issue. The new L brackets for the 3/8” kit are too short. I was able to just BARELY get the right side on and after messing with it for an hour, I am not able to install the left side. The right side is on, however like I said, just barely. There is absolutely no room for the trunnion to be adjusted at all. i.e there is no gap between the L bracket and the trunion on the right side. The left side is too short by approximately 1/16 of an inch.

I went back and checked the 5/16” kit and noticed the L brackets for this kit are longer by almost 1/4”. In fact, just holding the brackets up to my saw, I believe these L brackets would give me the needed clearance to make the appropriate adjustments. Problem is that the bolts are wrong.

My question is: Has anyone else had to deal with this issue? If so how did you do it? I am a little hesitant to go and file down the trunion at this point and am more tempted to try and drill out the longer L brackets to make the larger bolts fit through the holes. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

Again realizing I am new to the forum, many thanks to any help that is offered.

Matt


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ajosephg

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#1 posted 01-29-2010 04:48 PM

I’d drill out the holes in the longer brackets so that a 3/8 inch bolt would fit.

I’d also replace the bolts with studs and nuts, with the studs lock tited into the saw.

Duh: Forget some of that last sentence, I forgot that the PALS kit comes with studs and nuts.

-- Joe

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knotscott

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#2 posted 01-29-2010 05:32 PM

Matt – Most saws are aligned at the factory, but shipping and handling of the saw after leaving the factory can wreak havoc on the alignment, so it’s pretty common to have to do an alignment once you get the saw.

I’d be inclinded to bore out the longer brackets so the larger bolt will fit, but you might also consider contacting In-Line Industries who markets the PALS system to see if they have any further advice.

If all else fails, the PALS system makes alignment easier and helps hold the alignment, but they’re not a requirement.

Good luck.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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MJM305

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#3 posted 01-30-2010 12:52 AM

Thank you for the replies. I was leaning towards drilling out the longer L brackets (would rather modify a 20 dollar piece than the trunion on my new saw). I have emailed In Line Industries and am still awaiting a reply. Again thanks for the replies.

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Lifesaver2000

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#4 posted 01-30-2010 02:07 AM

I have this saw also, and it too needed some adjustment, although not as much as yours (about .010 inch). You did not mention what exact problem you had with the alignment; whether you did not have enough adjustment available, or if you could not get the adjustment to stay. If the former, this might help you. You might have already done this, so I apologize if it is redundant information.

You noted that you followed the directions, which as I recall tell you three particular bolts to loosen. What I found is that you can get a good bit more adjustment by a rotation of loosening three, moving the trunnion, re-tightening two and loosening the first that you left tight, moving some more, and so on. The thing is, you never know where the “slop” in the bolt holes is, so which bolt being tight and which ones being loose will give you the right adjustment is just a guess.

I was able to get my saw aligned “dead on” as far as I can measure, and I have done test cuts that seem to confirm that everything is well aligned. Hope this information helps, if not then good luck with your PALS.

Edit: I said that wrong. You re-tighten one of the ones you left loose and loosen the one that you left tight, so that you rotate around with a different one tight and three loose, to find the spot where the play is in the bolt holes.

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MJM305

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#5 posted 01-31-2010 11:28 AM

Well, I finally got the PALS system installed and the saw blade is now parallel to the miter slots. I took your guys’s advice and drilled out the longer brackets to fit the larger bolts. Worked like a charm. About fifteen minutes of setting up my drill press and actual drilling time was all it took. Ten minutes later I was aligning the saw and loving the PALS system. Made the alignment a lot simpler than the smack and measure method.

The fence is still slightly closer at the rear of the blade compared to the front, so I will hopefully find time to tackle that later today and all will be right with the world. Thanks again for your advice.

Matt

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Enthalpy

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#6 posted 01-31-2010 01:56 PM

I just bought the same saw. No problems with assembly. I had to adjust the fence and it’s nats ass on. Built a panel cutter yesterday, will show pics when I clear the dust.

I suggest if you just bought the saw call Sears before you modify, once it’s modified it belongs to you and you alone.

After stopping the saw, count to ten.

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a1Jim

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#7 posted 02-10-2010 06:07 PM

Strange you have to work over a new saw.

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