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MPMaint

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01-15-2016 08:14 PM

Hey guys, you were all so helpful when I was looking to upgrade my TS. Great feedback which lead me to a PM66.
Now, Im eyeballing my band saw. I have a 14” Grizzly 1019, cast aluminum wheels, friction blocks , no fence etc. Its a low end band saw.
Should I dump money into it bye upgrading with guide bearings, fence etc or sell it off and buy a new BS or an old vintage BS and upgrade that?


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bdresch

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#1 posted 01-15-2016 08:23 PM

As a guy who stuck money into a craftsman 14” delta clone which was likely built in the same factory as your grizzly, I would say no. Use it and enjoy it for what it is while saving $$ for something that is a real upgrade like a Rikon 10-325 or even better save for a 17”. Once you use a modern steel bandsaw you will regret any money you stuck into a cheap one.

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bigblockyeti

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#2 posted 01-15-2016 08:34 PM

^ +1 Use it as is, it should retain decent resale value if you take care of it and you won’t see a great return on investment with the money dumped into upgrades vs. saving for a bigger saw. A bigger saw can do pretty much everything as a 14” saw but they really excel at resawing and cutting thick stock. The steel frame, larger motor and heavier wheel are tremendous assets when attempting this kind of work.

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Fred Hargis

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#3 posted 01-15-2016 08:40 PM

What they said…

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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#4 posted 01-15-2016 08:43 PM

Depends on how much space you have. If I had enough room, I’d keep the 14in and keep a 1/4 or 3/8 blade on it for cutting curves and add a larger bandsaw that would be used predominantly for resawing.

-- "Good judgement is the result of experience. A lot of experience is the result of poor judgement."

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MPMaint

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#5 posted 01-15-2016 10:06 PM

Yea, I figured I would be told to get rid of the grizzly.
I was at my local Woodcraft last weekend and I checked out some of the BS’s they had on display. I liked the powermatic but the Rikon seemed really nice too which is one of the reasons I posted this thread. I noticed the Laguna’s have some great reviews but customer service is non existent. That alone tells me to stay away

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AZWoody

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#6 posted 01-15-2016 10:09 PM



Depends on how much space you have. If I had enough room, I d keep the 14in and keep a 1/4 or 3/8 blade on it for cutting curves and add a larger bandsaw that would be used predominantly for resawing.

- JayT

That is what I did. One for resaw, one for curves.

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SawdustTX

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#7 posted 01-15-2016 10:47 PM

My bandsaw journey with pictures….

Started with a cheap knock-off of a Delta 14” for $75 at a garage sale, used it 20 years. It did rough work fine, but had to constantly adjust the settings for drift, blade tracking, etc. Lots of sanding after the cut…

Finally upgraded to a used Rikon 14” 10-320 which was better but not enough of an upgrade to be worth the $350 I paid. Good with 1/8” or 1/4” blades for in thinner wood, not so great for resawing. It also had issues with it’s very small drive belt.

Couple years after getting the Rikon, I found a like-new Delta 14” on CL at a price I could not pass up, so I bought it ($400) and sold the Rikon for $300. :) It also came with a Kreg bandsaw fence (which is a big improvement), riser block, and the mobile base.

I still kick myself for not upgrading earlier. I couldn’t believe the precision and quality of cut, and use it almost as much as my tablesaw. I’ve used it over 5 years now, runs vibration free, holds it’s settings forever, and again – the precision and repeatability of cuts with this saw/fence combo is remarkable. Only problem I’ve had is the urethane tires only last 16 -18 months with my use and humidity.

So I’m a huge fan of buying a high quality bandsaw with a precision fence – truly did change how I work for the better. Keep your eyes on CL and local garage sales. Always thought I’d eventually get an 18 or 20” steel case saw, but I’m completely satisfied with this set up.


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Woodmaster1

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#8 posted 01-15-2016 11:05 PM

Keep it and get a new bandsaw. I regret giving my harbor freight one away every time blades are changed. I could have gotten the carter scroll guide and used the harbor freight with an 1/8” blade.

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#9 posted 01-15-2016 11:08 PM

Laguna customer service was excellent to me, they replaced a 3 hp motor within 3 days for a stripped tie rod, they are in California, I’m in Canada. Never had to return the faulty motor. And the saw is awesome 14SUV, I use it sometimes in place of the table saw with a 1 inch carbide blade, cut is as good as a table saw but can go 14 inches thick.

-- PJ

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bigblockyeti

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#10 posted 01-15-2016 11:11 PM

Another plus about keeping the old saw when an upgrade becomes feasible is the cost of the blades. I have a 20” Grizzly and the blade length is 154 1/2” as a result they can be pricey and more often than not, not a stocked size. The 14” saws not only use shorter blades, but are available from enough vendors that they’re usually in stock and priced more competitively.

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MPMaint

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#11 posted 01-16-2016 12:20 AM



Another plus about keeping the old saw when an upgrade becomes feasible is the cost of the blades. I have a 20” Grizzly and the blade length is 154 1/2” as a result they can be pricey and more often than not, not a stocked size. The 14” saws not only use shorter blades, but are available from enough vendors that they re usually in stock and priced more competitively.

- bigblockyeti

Unfortunately, I dont have the space to keep two BS’s. Im committed to a one car garage at the moment.

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MPMaint

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#12 posted 01-16-2016 12:23 AM



Laguna customer service was excellent to me, they replaced a 3 hp motor within 3 days for a stripped tie rod, they are in California, I m in Canada. Never had to return the faulty motor. And the saw is awesome 14SUV, I use it sometimes in place of the table saw with a 1 inch carbide blade, cut is as good as a table saw but can go 14 inches thick.

- ThomasChippendale

This concerns me “replacing motors” A motor shouldnt fail unless it got wet some how or it got fried from a lightning strike. An electric motor should last thousands of hours.

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MPMaint

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#13 posted 01-16-2016 12:28 AM



My bandsaw journey with pictures….

Started with a cheap knock-off of a Delta 14” for $75 at a garage sale, used it 20 years. It did rough work fine, but had to constantly adjust the settings for drift, blade tracking, etc. Lots of sanding after the cut…

Finally upgraded to a used Rikon 14” 10-320 which was better but not enough of an upgrade to be worth the $350 I paid. Good with 1/8” or 1/4” blades for in thinner wood, not so great for resawing. It also had issues with it s very small drive belt.

Couple years after getting the Rikon, I found a like-new Delta 14” on CL at a price I could not pass up, so I bought it ($400) and sold the Rikon for $300. :) It also came with a Kreg bandsaw fence (which is a big improvement), riser block, and the mobile base.

I still kick myself for not upgrading earlier. I couldn t believe the precision and quality of cut, and use it almost as much as my tablesaw. I ve used it over 5 years now, runs vibration free, holds it s settings forever, and again – the precision and repeatability of cuts with this saw/fence combo is remarkable. Only problem I ve had is the urethane tires only last 16 -18 months with my use and humidity.

So I m a huge fan of buying a high quality bandsaw with a precision fence – truly did change how I work for the better. Keep your eyes on CL and local garage sales. Always thought I d eventually get an 18 or 20” steel case saw, but I m completely satisfied with this set up.


- SawdustTX

Good information. Do you know what year your delta saw is?

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SawdustTX

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#14 posted 01-16-2016 03:27 AM


Good information. Do you know what year your delta saw is?

- MPMaint

I believe around 2005, but not sure.

The story is: one morning checking my CL searches an ad popped up with a guy selling a garage full of Delta tools “like new but 5 years old” and the pricing was absurdly low. I was doubtful but the pictures did look good, so I called my son, said grab a friend to help, get in your truck, and head for Dallas (we live in Houston 4 hours away). While he got on the road I called the CL guy. He sounded straight up, so I worked out a deal and told him my son would be there by noon. Didn’t mention he was coming all the way from Houston….

My son arrives at this huge house, Porsche in the drive, the whole set up. The guy was a doctor, decided he needed a hobby, went out and bought an entire shop of brand new Delta tools – Unisaw, Bandsaw, Dust Collector, Drill Press, Air filter, Sanding Center, and nice accessories for each. Said he put them all together, tried to use them, and they scared the heck out of him so he never used them. Just sat there for 5 years.

I bought the Bandsaw, 16.5” Variable Speed Drill press, Dust collector, and a PSI overarm table saw blade guard/dust pickup system – still new in an unopened box. Everything like new – not a scratch or speck on them.

And then I found out why the tools scared him. The drill press base mounting bolts had never been tightened so when you switched it on the whole thing shook and swayed. Five minutes tightening the base bolts and it was smooth as silk. Similar story for the bandsaw – had a horrible vibration and the blade screeching against the blade guard, but 30 minutes of basic bandsaw tune-up later, it was perfect.

The punch line: when they were loading the haul in my son’s truck, and my son told him he drove all the way from Houston, the guy said “I didn’t ask enough for them did I?” My son said no and told him how happy I was about it, and the guy said he was just glad the tools were going to someone who would really enjoy them and use them.

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ThomasChippendale

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#15 posted 01-16-2016 03:32 AM

Laguna customer service was excellent to me, they replaced a 3 hp motor within 3 days for a stripped tie rod, they are in California, I m in Canada. Never had to return the faulty motor. And the saw is awesome 14SUV, I use it sometimes in place of the table saw with a 1 inch carbide blade, cut is as good as a table saw but can go 14 inches thick.

- ThomasChippendale

This concerns me “replacing motors” A motor shouldnt fail unless it got wet some how or it got fried from a lightning strike. An electric motor should last thousands of hours.

- MPMaint

The motor did not fail, il had a stripped tie rod. And whatever band saw you purchase, it will have the same brand motor. Lesson or Baldor, made in China. Just have to be careful and inspect what you receive.

-- PJ

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