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01-11-2016 05:04 AM

I have been keeping an eye on CL for a planer. Thought about buying a lunchbox planer, possibly a Cutetech with a helical cutter, but then considered the idea of buying a floor standing machine with a bit more power. I came across a CL listing for a Jet JWP-15CS for $750. It looks to be in fine shape. Thought that was a pretty good price and contacted the seller. Now getting the machine from his location to mine isn’t an easy task as it weighs about 525lbs. My F150 could certainly handle the load, but getting it onto the bed is all together different. I contacted a freight company and they want $350 for liftgate pickup and delivery to my shop. Round trip is about 150 miles and a few tolls.

So is the Delta worth $1100? I think the other option I would consider is to buy a new Jet 13” molder/planer for the same $1100, which is what they are going for. The 15” has a 3HP motor vs 1.5 for the 13”.

Also if anyone has an idea on how to get the planer onto my truck bed, I’m all ears :)

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn :)


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#1 posted 01-11-2016 05:14 AM

I came across a CL listing for a Delta JWP-15CS for $750.
- builtinbkyn

There is no such animal as a Delta JWP-15CS… that’s a Jet model number. And 525 lbs is pretty light… a couple or three 2x’s (2×8, 2×10, whatever you have handy) and two people could get it in the back of a truck without much problem I would think.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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#2 posted 01-11-2016 05:22 AM

Yes I meant Jet. Explain to me how two people do that? I no longer have a crew of guys, but even the two biggest couldn’t hoist that I don’t think. You have a trick?

I came across a CL listing for a Delta JWP-15CS for $750.
- builtinbkyn

There is no such animal as a Delta JWP-15CS… that s a Jet model number. And 525 lbs is pretty light… a couple or three 2x s (2×8, 2×10, whatever you have handy) and two people could get it in the back of a truck without much problem I would think.

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix


-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn :)

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#3 posted 01-11-2016 06:10 AM

Explain to me how two people do that? I no longer have a crew of guys, but even the two biggest couldn’t hoist that I don’t think. You have a trick?
- builtinbkyn

FIrst off, break it down as much as possible so you have manageable chunks. Take off the infeed and outfeed extensions, remove it from the base, yank the motor, etc…

Then, you could probably just lift all the pieces individually. Or use the 2x’s as a ramp and slide them up – just make them long enough so the incline isn’t too great. If you have a mount point in the bed, you could also use a come-along to assist. Or use a hand cart with spotters on each side. Or a movers dolly. Lots of ways, just be creative. If you have or know of someone who has a small trailer, that would be another option… one with a fold down gate/ramp would be ideal.

I’ve hauled lots of stuff that weighed as much or more and always figured out a way to get it in the back of the truck. And as a reference, two guys should be able to lift 350-400 pounds straight up the three feet or so needed – it’s just a dead lift up (remember, use your knees, not your back :)

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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#4 posted 01-11-2016 12:07 PM

I put mine in the back of my truck with an engine hoist; ask the seller if he happens to have one. If not you could take one with you (not a first choice), or rent a small trailer that’s low to the ground, or do the lifting thing that Brad suggested. The book for mine (Delta) suggests sticking 2-2×4s through the planer and lower the cutterhead against it tightly, then carry it ark-style.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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#5 posted 01-11-2016 12:09 PM

can ya rent a trailer? uhaul has little enclised ones that have a low bed.

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#6 posted 01-11-2016 01:02 PM

Brad:
I agree with your assessment of taking the machine apart. Done it many times myself.

Where I disagree is your statement of two people lifting 350-400 lbs.
I used to think like that…

In the late 70’s, when the first disc herniated, you would have thought I might have changed my mind.
Then I healed up, and got macho again over the years…and again…and again…...
And last September I finally had my first real life, knock me down for two months back operation, since I had lifted enough of those loads to finally ruin five discs over the years.

And before you say “lift with your knees”, my knees are also crushed, (the cartilage), and I probably will be getting at least my right knee replaced within 3-5 years. And I’ve never been a runner or a bicyclist. Just lifted a lot of stuff that was too damn heavy.

These days, a 35 lb. bag of dog food is a lift for me…

-- Paul, Tennessee, http://www.tsunamiguitars.com

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#7 posted 01-11-2016 01:06 PM

Trailer it as said.

U-Haul has a motorcycle trailer with a ramp and low deck. Also has tie down points. Get a couple three dollies and take some scrap wood blocks and a long breaker bar to lift it onto the dollies. Hardest part will be the elevation changes but it shouldn’t be too bad.

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#8 posted 01-11-2016 01:17 PM

Trailer +3.

Unhook from hitch, block in front of tires, 2×8 skids and a come along or brute force will slide it right on.

Weight will make trailer sink to ground making an even incline and people think you’re nuts.

As you slide the machine toward axles, front will come down easily.

Hitch back up and off you go!! While spectators walk away amazed.

Done it a hundred times…...well, maybe 3.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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#9 posted 01-11-2016 02:40 PM

Hey thanks for the replies. I thought of a trailer or U-Haul box with a ramp, but the saw still has to get up onto the loading dock where my shop is located. That’s pretty much the extent of it. I probably won’t be breaking it down in the guys front yard though. Not what I would consider the right thing to do. I may just rent an engine hoist or buy one to have on hand for what ever reason.

So I’m guessing the deal on the planer is good?

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn :)

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#10 posted 01-11-2016 11:23 PM

Hey, Bill, I bought this one years ago and it has paid for itself in avoided lift gate fees. Your situation is different, so it may not work as well for you. It only requires about 4 sqft of floor space when not in use. You should be able to find a 20% off coupon.

My guess is that this is a fair price, but there is nothing stopping you from offering less. My rule of thumb is that a used tool, excluding Festool, is about 33-75% of new depending on the condition.

-- Art

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#11 posted 01-11-2016 11:32 PM

I’ve never used anything other than a lunchbox planer, so I have no expertise to offer, but you might want to read this article by Christopher Schwarz on why he prefers lunchbox planers to the big boys. I was quite surprised to read it.

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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#12 posted 01-12-2016 03:05 AM

Art, I may just rent one if I choose to go ahead with the deal. There’s quite a few tool rental places nearby. They may even have something better for me than the engine hoist. I’ve done quite a bit of business with one place in particular so I’ll see what they suggest. I think the price is very reasonable considering the apparent condition of the machine. It’s also nice that it’s already assembled. Something I won’t need to bother with should I buy new.

Charles that’s an interesting article. Short, but he does make a point. I had a Ridgid lunchbox I bought for a particular job I did two years ago. I returned it to HD after running a few hundred feet thru it. It wouldn’t hold an adjustment. I loved the Jet they had in the shop I belonged to. It was a pleasure to use vs the lunchbox which jumped all over the place. I guess I could make a base for it with tables, but that then defeats the purpose of a small footprint planer.

I’m considering buying new. The Jet open stand 16” is $1300 on Amazon and that includes delivery. It’s also 3HP 230V. Seems to have good user reviews. If someone has had a different experience with it, I’d like to hear it.

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn :)

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#13 posted 01-12-2016 03:12 AM

I’m considering buying new.

Based on your recent purchase… I’m surprised you are even considering used :)

Cheers,
Brad

PS: And I respectfully have to disagree with a lot of what is mentioned in the Schwartz article.

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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#14 posted 01-12-2016 03:17 AM

LOL well the CL listing for the Jet planer doesn’t make it look like a project. It looks ready to go. Besides I can be frugal, ah cheap, when it’s warranted :)


I’m considering buying new.

Based on your recent purchase… I m surprised you are even considering used :)

Cheers,
Brad

PS: And I respectfully have to disagree with a lot of what is mentioned in the Schwartz article.

- MrUnix


-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn :)

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