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Forum topic by 716 posted 01-06-2016 11:36 PM 3286 views 0 times favorited 15 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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01-06-2016 11:36 PM

So it happened that I am in an enviable position of seeing both Grizzly hybrid saws G0771 and G0715P up close.
I wanted to buy G0715P first but was concerned about the reports of misalignment when changing the blade height so I ordered G0771. (Un)fortunately mine came with some issues so after asking Grizzly tech support for an advise they requested it back without me even asking it. I got a bit more confident in Grizzly’s willingness to solve problems so what the heck, if I order G0715P and get a misalignment issues I would just send it back.

So it came here today and I rushed to test the blade alignment before doing anything else. I must say I am pleasantly surprised with what I discovered. The front of the blade stays put on without the dial indicator even budging, when I lower or raise the blade. The back of the blade does deviate to the left or right depending on whether I raise of lower the blade but not more than about 0.007” or so. When I turn the raise handle back a quarter of one rotation to relieve the tension it goes back close to the initial point. I my books it is perfect.
My G0771 was not nearly that accurate. It felt far less rigid and the dial indicator was all over the place when changing the blade height. The blade was almost perfectly parallel to the miter gauge slot on both saws. G0715P is more than 100lbs heavier and I believe much of that weight went into trunnions, which might explain why it feels more rigid than G0771.
G0771 uses a lot of aluminum: fence, blade guard, handles are all aluminum while G0715P does not have aluminum parts at all with exception of the miter gauge.
Operating elevation and tilt handles is night and day between these saws. While G0771 is OK, G0715P is an immense pleasure to use. The cast iron handles are heavy and the motion is very smooth, while G0771 motion is light and jerky. I does not affect the operation just does not bring the same level of satisfaction.

I did not unpack the fence yet on G0715P.
The G0771 fence required some adjustment and it was not precisely vertical, but after it locks down it straightens out. It locked parallel to the blade too. It has slots for saw buddies and other jigs but again operating it was no joy as it did not move anywhere smooth. The walls of the fence are a bit concave, which might affect the precision. However since the stock touches the fence at the lowest point it is OK in most situations. I still would prefer it to be flatter.

One more difference between the saws is that G0715P has a large swinging door for accessing the motor compartment is you want to clear the dust or something. G0771 has a plate with a lot of screws so opening it out often is out of the question.

The table finish on G0715P is much better than on G0771.

The biggest G0771 advantage is cabinet mounted trunnions. It does make the alignment easier but do not expect a better operation though. There are more connection between the table and the saw: In case of G0771 the blade is mounted to the trunnions, which are mounted to the tubular extensions, which are welded to the cabinet, which holds the table. In a table mounted construction the blade is mounted to the trunnions, which are mounted directly to the table. The latter in theory is more rigid as it includes less parts.
Staying parallel is far more important than easiness of adjustment so I do not see the table mounted construction as disadvantage. The reports of the getting out of parallel when raising the blade has nothing to do with the place of mounting the trunnions, I believe it is more of partially user error partially quality control issue.

If you are on the fence like I was, my suggestion go with G0715P. It feels more substantial and I would classify G0715P as lower class professional and G0771 upper class hobbyist. ( I am sure unisaw and powermatic owners will not agree with me). However G0771 is a fine saw so you cannot loose with Grizzly in any case.

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#1 posted 01-07-2016 02:53 AM

Good info! I was on the fence between these two and I decided on the G0715P. Very satisfied with the 715P and after your info glad I did.

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#2 posted 01-07-2016 04:02 AM

People normally buy 715 over 771 because of the fence. Apparently there is more than that.
The more I read and watch videos about it the more I think the alignment issue is a myth based on a few genuine problems. The issue is not when the blade deflects slightly when going up and down (many saws do it). It is when the back of the blade deflects as much as 0.050” and stays there. There were very very few instances of the genuine issue and countless reports of the imaginable problem.

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#3 posted 01-07-2016 04:09 AM

Looking at them in person together in the store, I’d agree with most of your statements. However, I wanted nothing to do with the alignment issues. So I bought the 771. A new fence and the saw will be great. I’ve got my cabinet door held on with rare earth magnets, and may add a hinge or two to it. I have no issues with operating the wheels. Mine turn smooth and aren’t jerky at all.

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#4 posted 01-07-2016 04:45 AM

As I said G0771 is a fine saw and both these saws are equally adequate for any project. It is more of personal preference. The aluminum handles I mentioned are perfectly functional. By jerky I mean the handle closely follows the hand movement, and tend move faster or slower at times , while cast iron one keeps spinning due to high inertia after a good push. The cast iron handle is deliberately made heavy, while aluminum is not only of lighter density material, it is also hollow and is very light. Other aspects are of similar experience for example the fence on G0771 is perfectly functional but again is not much fun to use.
G0715P is a more expensive saw and there is a reason to it. ( I am sure G1023 would feel even better )

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#5 posted 01-07-2016 07:10 PM

How about dust collection on either of these? I thought I read some comments about it being no good.

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#6 posted 01-07-2016 07:47 PM

I did not hook up the dust collector to either of these yet. But I do not see why dust collection would be any different than on any other cabinet table saw. G0771 is a bare motor with trunnions inside, while G0715P has a deflection plate that probably is supposed to direct the dust but it is a far cry from a blade shroud like on G1023 ( which according to reviews is not good at dust collection either).
I see folks close openings on the cabinets to make sure that most of the air is sucked in through the throat plate. I will try to do the same. Also it would be a good idea to mount an overhead pane with dust hose over the cutting area somehow. But again this is a common approach for almost any other saw.

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#7 posted 01-07-2016 08:15 PM

No blade shroud so dust collection could be better. Just a ramp that funnels dust down to the port.

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#8 posted 01-07-2016 08:18 PM


The 771 doesn t have a blade shroud as mentioned. Just a ramp that funnels dust down to the port.
- jmartel

Who said 771 has a dust shroud ?

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#9 posted 01-07-2016 08:32 PM

No one. I was confirming that it doesn’t have a shroud so dust collection could be better. Maybe bad wording?

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#10 posted 01-07-2016 08:47 PM

Oh, OK,
I guess manufactures leave large openings in cabinets to facilitate motor cooling, as they cannot ensure the user will use a dust collector. To go around it they use shrouds, which often introduce more problems than they solve. If the saw will always run with a dust collector I assume it is safe and better to seal the cabinet.

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#11 posted 01-07-2016 10:44 PM

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#12 posted 01-13-2016 09:35 PM

So finally I installed the fence on the G0715P.
I knew it is different from the alumafence on G0771 but not to this extent ! The whole assembly is maybe 10 times heavier and maybe this many times easier to use. It slides like it is on ice and stays square at all length of the rail. There is no locking on the back side thus no changing shape when locking, no vertical misalignment and no concave walls. It is more difficult to tune however.
G0771 fence does have an advantage though. It has slots on the top and the sides so you can attach your jigs directly to it.

Other items I did not mention is that the power switch is 4 times! bigger.
I did not have to shim extension wings on any of the saws (I did however had to flip one of the extensions on G0715P). G0715P table besides being finished to a finer degree is also flatter than the G0771. Not that G0771 was bad but G0715P is close to perfect.

One goodie on 715 that I do not care for is the blade locking button so you use only one wrench when changing the blade. I am perfectly fine using two wrenches like on G0771 and it is just one more thing that can break.

At this point all I can say these two saws are in different leagues. There is a lot of attention to details on G0715P starting from the manual ( actually probably the best manual out of hundreds I came across yet) and ending by the paint. As for G0771 it is a fine saw but it feels like Grizzly cut some corner to keep the price down.

For me the difference in price was very well justified.
Depending on what you intend to use it for your mileage may vary.

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#13 posted 01-15-2016 05:54 AM

A bit more on my G0715P
I did not know whether about 0.2 mm (0.008”) blade out of parallel is acceptable or not so today I attempted an exercise in trunnion adjustment. It appeared to be much easier than I thought it would be. The biggest difficulty was removing the back panel as it is hindered by the rear fence rail. I had to remove it too. After a few light taps with a rubber mallet while the dial indicator is still attached so you know exactly when it is done my metric dial indicator stopped registering almost any deviation, only about 0.03mm or so when I slid it to the teeth area. Do I do something wrong ?
Check it out here

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#14 posted 01-15-2016 06:10 AM

Nope. Good to go. I wouldn’t push the indicator in that fast cuz it might loosen then needle.

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#15 posted 01-15-2016 07:34 AM

I know but the accuired over the years clumsiness started making fun of the indicator

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