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Forum topic by Greenmachine posted 01-05-2016 02:38 AM 970 views 0 times favorited 8 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Greenmachine

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01-05-2016 02:38 AM

I’m shopping for a J/P combo and in the Grizzly 2016 catalog, page 2, in the “message from the president” he says I need to check out their new JP that requires no changeover… The virtually only negative quality of these machines.That does sound good, as it does not exist in the market today that I can find. Problem is it’s not listed in the catalog and I called and they have no idea about this product either.

Anyone else hear of such a machine? The president says it’s sure to be a best seller!


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#1 posted 01-05-2016 02:48 AM

The index lists it under planer/jointer. Look on p47-49 …

M

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#2 posted 01-05-2016 02:52 AM

There are no planer/jointers listed on those pages that do not require changeover…..

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#3 posted 01-05-2016 12:28 PM

About this time last year I was seriously considering the Grizzly G034Z
http://grizzly.com/products/12-Planer-Jointer-with-Spiral-Cutterhead-Replaces-G0634-/G0634Z

I was concerned about the number of inserts being less than other spiral head designs and even called and asked if they had plans to increase the number of cutters. They said no, so I started looking at the jet 12 inch. It has 56 cutters compare to 32 and has a single table to lift instead of two. I waited until the jet 15% off sale in Feb. I got the jet 12hh delivered for approximately $2800. That is the same price as the G0634Z shipped to MD. (It is $3,000 with free shipping on Amazon today).

http://www.woodcraft.com/product/843944/jet-12-planerjointer-with-helical-head-model-jjp12hh.aspx

I did need to hire an electrician to run 220 and install the plug, but most of that would happen with any larger machine.

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#4 posted 01-06-2016 01:18 AM

Just checked. Greenmachine is right. Maybe Balolia is thinking ahead to next year. Seriously, to design such a machine would require that the planer table wouldn’t need to be lowered to flip the dust hood over. Trouble is, if you leave the jointer table in place, it would be quite awkward to use the planer situated underneath it.

I have the Jet JJ12-HH like Rob has. Really, it’s not too bad switching between functions, as the planer table cranks very fast, and the jointer flips out of the way all as a one-piece unit. Also, the jointer fence doesn’t have to be removed. You do have to remember to engage/disengage the roller drive belt with a simple lever.

I like the machine very much. I love having the 12” jointer, though of course the 12” planer is on the small side. I get very little to no detectable snipe most of the time. It seems best to let the board come through on its own, rather than lifting it at the end of the cut. I just give it enough support to prevent sagging. I milled a bunch of beech recently, and the surface smoothness was excellent.

My one caveat would be that it’s easy to try to take too big a bite with the planer. Happens easily with a rough board that is thicker in the middle than at the end. The 3 hp is plenty most of the time, but it will bog down trying to take too big a bite with a wide board. I did have to rotate the carbide cutters once, as I had been milling black locust, which is really hard and abrasive. The guy who ran the log through his Wood Mizer told me he pretty much used up a blade cutting this stuff.

If your are in the PNW, check out CL ads in the Seattle area. There is a Jet/Powermatic outlet store in Auburn that has extremely good prices on these machines. Though they say their tools are scratch and dent—minor scratches, etc.—I didn’t find a single blemish on my machine. I had to do my own hauling, as they don’t ship from that outlet.

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#5 posted 01-06-2016 01:43 AM

Seriously, to design such a machine would require that the planer table wouldn’t need to be lowered to flip the dust hood over.

Jointer/planer combos were produced by both Makita and Hitachi that had each side by side… so you could seamlessly run stock through the jointer then turn around and run it through the planer. I’ve got two such machines. It is a shame they stopped producing them.

Cheers,
Brad

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#6 posted 01-06-2016 02:51 AM

That sucker has been on my wish list for over a year. Nice!

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#7 posted 01-06-2016 06:35 AM

Both the Makita and Hitachi were limited to 6” jointers, however. And their footprints are hardly smaller than 2 separate machines. The only advantage I see to them is that they get double duty out of a single motor.

Of course, perhaps the main advantage to a combo machine (besides the shared motor) is the smaller footprint. This is certainly an advantage in my small shop.

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#8 posted 01-06-2016 09:30 PM



Both the Makita and Hitachi were limited to 6” jointers, however. And their footprints are hardly smaller than 2 separate machines. The only advantage I see to them is that they get double duty out of a single motor.

Of course, perhaps the main advantage to a combo machine (besides the shared motor) is the smaller footprint. This is certainly an advantage in my small shop.

- runswithscissors

you gotta be real careful when shopping for a combo machine if you’re goal is less footprint. yes, they all do have shorter beds, which is nice, but most of the ones on the market have a pork chop blade guard and a center mounted fence. The pivot bracket for the center mounted fence hangs off the back A LOT and you end up throwing away a lot of floor space because of it.

the only ones (that I can think off of the top of my head) that don’t have this problem are the now discontinued Grizzly GO634XP, and the Hammer A3 series, both of which have end mounted fences like a table saw and can sit close or dead up against the wall. Even the Hammer has have some distance from the wall for the fence slide when jointing against the far edge of the blades. that’s why their rolling kit goes short ways (front-back) where everyone else’s go longways (sideways)

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