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bent

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1243 days ago

this joint is on a drawer front on a small antique piece. i’ve never seen one quite like it before. at first i thought it was a just drilled out and a dowel was driven it. but it’s actually a round through tenon from the side of the drawer face. i can only imagine what a pain this must have been to make. any ideas what it’s called, or how it’s made?




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mics_54

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#1 posted 1243 days ago

Antique router? I’d bet it was made with a rotary tool of some type.

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John

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#2 posted 1243 days ago

Don’t know what it would be called. I would cut the drawer sides first then mark the front. You could template rout the drawer front but your template would need to match the drawer side exactly. I’m not sure how I would cut the drawer side. A router bit could hog out most of the waste but it wouldn’t be able to get into the sharp points between circles. Chisel the rest? Are you going to use this joint? Let us know how it turns out.

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Xtreme90

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#3 posted 1243 days ago

Bears ear joint??

-- "I don't cut wood. I machine it!" G.M. The wood machinest

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SteveMI

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#4 posted 1243 days ago

I have a round tenon cutter that I use to make dowels. That would make the drawer front real easy with a simple indexing fixture. (Tenon cutter has 870 rpm max so you would need a tall drill press.)

Round mortises in drawer side could be done with forstner bit.

Cutting the rounded humps on the drawer sides could be done with a point cutting roundover router bit. (I have one from Whiteside for routing signs.) Another indexing fixture required.

Aligning the mortises and routed humps on drawer side would need a very accurate fixture.

Steve.

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Gpops

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#5 posted 1243 days ago

Hi Bent,

I have a chest of drawers that utilizes the same joint. I have been asking for years how it was done. Let me know if you try and how it comes out.

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GaryK

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#6 posted 1243 days ago

It’s called a pin and crescent joint. I have been waiting for the right project to come along to use it. The problem is that the drawer height has to be divisible by the number of pins and crescents.

-- Gary - Never pass up the opportunity to make a mistake look like you planned it that way - Tyler, TX

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CaseMan

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#7 posted 1243 days ago

That is a Knapp joint. There was a machine made just for those. It wasn’t in popular use for all that long so it may help in dating the piece.

http://www.antiqueweb.com/articles/antique_knapp_joint_dovetail.html
http://thewoodworksinc.com/resources/Knapps%20Pin%20and%20Crescent%20Drawer%20Joint.pdf

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CaseMan

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#8 posted 1243 days ago

Here’s a router jig/template to reproduce the joints.

http://woodworker.com/cgi-bin/FULLPRES.exe?PARTNUM=886-459&LARGEVIEW=ON&CARTID=200402157660284040--1

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Dave Owen

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#9 posted 1243 days ago

My brother has a beautiful rosewood chest made with these joints. When I looked it up a couple of years ago, I found that it is a machine-made joint, and is known by a number of names: “Pin and Crescent”, “Crescent”, “Pin and Cove”, “Pin and Scallop”, “Half Moon”, “Knapp” – and likely others. The most common name seems to be the “Pin and Crescent” as noted by GaryK. I also discovered that “Woodworker’s Supply, Inc.” has a couple of jigs for making them.

-- Dave O.

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a1Jim

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#10 posted 1243 days ago

Boy I learned a lot.

-- W James Brokenbourgh Custom furniture maker http://artisticwoodstudio.com/

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bent

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#11 posted 1243 days ago

yeah, me too!

thanks for all the information guys.

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Damian Penney

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#12 posted 1243 days ago

cool :)

-- I am always doing that which I can not do, in order that I may learn how to do it. - Pablo Picasso

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reggiek

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#13 posted 1243 days ago

This was most illuminating…..As Jim said…I learned alot about a joint I had not seen very much…and I certainly never had a name for it before…Thanks all for the great lesson.

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Jei'son

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#14 posted 1243 days ago

look ma, i learned a new thing! oh wait, i think i just forgot how to blink in order to make room :(

-- - Jei, Rockford IL - When in doubt, spray it with WD-40 and wrap it with duct tape. The details will attend to themselves.

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araldite

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#15 posted 1243 days ago

Great thread. There’s always something new to learn.

-- Failure is the road to success if you learn to learn from your mistakes - Vince, Greenville, SC

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