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1tacoshort

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12-31-2015 07:29 PM

Hi all,

Short time listener, first timer caller…

I’m planning my second woodworking project, I’m going to copy the bench shown here: http://imgur.com/a/Ry7r2. I’ve got most of it figured out except how to secure the cleats for the bench bottom while the glue dries. I could do a stopped dado for the cleats on each end and tenons for the middle ones. Best I can tell, the original project used brads or pocket screws.

Suggestions (thanks!)?

edit: made it clearer that I’m planning to copy this really cool bench that someone else built—the pictures are of his bench 9mine’s not built, yet)

-- Wade


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CaptainSkully

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#1 posted 01-03-2016 06:07 PM

That’s a great design! I just put it on my To Do list. To answer your question, modern glues are sufficient to hold the bottom panel together just fine, so you can do a regular glue-up of the panel(s) with no cleats. If you need to add the cleats as a stiffener, etc. they should be installed with short screws through elongated slots in the cleats to allow the screws to “slide” as the panel moves. One of my favorite things about Arts & Crafts furniture is the almost total lack of hardware. I usually can get by with only using figure 8’s to secure the tops. If you’re using 3/4” oak, you probably don’t need stiffeners.

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jerryminer

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#2 posted 01-03-2016 07:28 PM

The end cleats are long-grain-to-long-grain on the bottom rails, so glue alone is enough, but you can add brads or screws to hold everything while the glue dries.

For the cleats in the middle, I’d probably mortise them into the front and rear rails. Pocket screws would probably work, but M&T would be more “honest”. Builder’s choice, really.

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#3 posted 01-03-2016 08:10 PM

I agree with Captainskully you don’t want to connect cross grain members with anything that won’t allow for wood movement. here’s a PDF that explains about wood movement.

http://toddpartridgedesign.com/sr_pages/documents/UnderstandingWoodMovement.pdf

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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1tacoshort

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#4 posted 01-04-2016 03:29 AM

Thanks, all! I was worried about connecting the bottom to the rest of the bench rather than holding the bottom together. Sounds like I should M&T the middle cleats (the bottom would rest on these).

Also, thanks for the pdf, a1Jim! I’ve been looking for a good document that describes how to handle wood movement.

Thanks, again!

-- Wade

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#5 posted 01-04-2016 03:48 AM

Your welcome Wade.I look forward to seeing the finished project.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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