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joshtp

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12-30-2015 07:01 PM

Topic tags/keywords: table saw craigslist

Hello, been a lurker for a while, just getting started into woodworking as a hobby. Right now I have a Craftsman 137 series table saw with non-standard miter slots, poor fence, hard to make inserts for, etc etc. I barely even use the thing as I don’t feel very comfortable using it without a zero clearance insert and crosscut sled (which are hard to make given the non-standardness). I am looking to upgrade.

The space I have is a typical 2-car garage, 24×24, with the caveat that we’d like to be able to park at least one car in there when a big project is not going on.

I’ve got my eyes on a Dewalt DW745 at Home Depot for $229, which I was going to get tonight or tomorrow, but up just popped what looks like a really good deal.

This Delta table saw with Beisemeyer fence and mobile stand for $400 seems like a really good deal, and have asked for the exact model number:
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/tls/5380819047.html

One of the biggest issues is how big this thing is, and wondering if it might be overkill for my space and abilities. Even with a mobile base I’m sure moving the thing isn’t something you want to do every day. Perhaps I should stick with the cheaper, smaller, and more limited job-site saw with a nice multi-function worktable/outfeed table, and if I actually get good and continue in the hobby then upgrade to a saw like this.

I’ve certainly read many topics on here about how much better cabinet or even contractor-style saws are than bench or job-site saws, but I suppose in many ways it seems like these are too much saw for me (abilities and space). This also seems like it would be rather difficult to move myself, even though it would be from garage to garage, I’d have to get a lift-gate truck or some serious muscle.

There are of course many other saws in the area (Fredericksburg, VA to Washington, DC), but this one stuck out to me as a good deal.

Thanks for any input!


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jdh122

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#1 posted 12-30-2015 07:22 PM

Only you can really answer your question, since it depends primarily on whether you have the room for the Delta. It’s clearly a much better saw that will cut through the wood much more easily and accurately. Ability-wise I can’t quite imagine how it could be “too much saw” other than the fact that it doesn’t have a riving knife (you might want to rig up a splitter).
I’ve used the Dewalt and found it to work really well for a saw that size, but it’s not really in the same category as a cabinet saw.
As for moving it to your garage, if you remove the outer tables (simple to do) it becomes more manageable, and if you take off the middle piece of the top it becomes reasonably doable to move it around. I moved my cabinet saw (not the same model) into my basement this way. Took three guys, but none of us are particularly muscly…

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#2 posted 12-30-2015 07:42 PM

I have the exact same saw. Very easy to move while on a base (I built mine). The saw is a pleasure to use, I upgraded from a Ridgid 4512. Just for the fence I would get it. The Delta saw does not take more floor space than my Ridgid did and you cannot really compare the Dewalt and the Delta. Two different categories of saws. I would not wait too long to get it before someone else does.
As jdh122 said you are the only one who can decide. Good luck

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#3 posted 12-30-2015 07:49 PM

You’re both right, it’s not something anyone else can decide for me. I don’t think size would be too much of a concern now that I’ve thought it over, assuming it’s easy to move I should be able to position it out of the way.

I’ve asked the seller several questions but no response yet, perhaps he’s already gotten higher offers.

If he does offer it to me, it’s a bit of a drive, but biggest trick would be getting it moved. I’ve read some who say they remove the rails and extensions, then tilt it into a pickup truck. Would hate to crush any toes or damage the saw in that move.

lepelerin, I assume at this level it is at least 110V if not 110/220V. I should wire my garage for 220V regardless though at some point.

We’ll see if the seller responds, and I’ll provide an update. Thanks!

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lepelerin

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#4 posted 12-30-2015 07:53 PM

I rewired mine in 220V (was wired for 110v when I got it. 5 minutes job) and I did transport it in a mazda3. I removed the rails and outer tables. I moved it with a friend. Was not as challenging as I thought it would be.
What do you want to know about the saw?

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joshtp

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#5 posted 12-30-2015 08:00 PM


I rewired mine in 220V and I did transport it in a mazda3. I removed the rails and outer tables. I moved it with a friend. Was not as challenging as I thought it would be.
What do you want to know about the saw?

Wow, all in a Mazada3. Probably wouldn’t make it in my Scion xA, but could work in the minivan I suppose.

Are rails and wings simple to remove, just a couple hex bolts?

You say you have the exact model. What would that be exactly? From the Craigslist pics, this looks to be a 30” Beisemeyer fence, and about 7 feet rails. Is that a custom built extension on the right? And seems to have miter gauge, guard, and some push blocks.

Thanks!

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lepelerin

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#6 posted 12-30-2015 08:14 PM

—“Are rails and wings simple to remove, just a couple hex bolts?”

Yes very easy to remove, just a couple of hex bolts for the front and on the back.

Wings , only 3 bolts on each one, very easy to remove too, and once they are not on the saw the saw is significantly lighter.

model: Delta 36-714 left tilt hybrid saw.

Yes it’s a custom extension on the right side, On mine I use this extension as my router table in order to save floor space. My shop is only 9×18.

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#7 posted 12-30-2015 08:51 PM

When I bought my Unisaw off CL a few years ago, the seller and I tilted it onto the bed of my Toyota PU, and I offloaded it myself. Didn’t remove anything, though it just had standard size rails. It’s easy to over think that kind of thing. Just do it! Don’t drop it on your toes, though.

It’s way more saw than the DeWalt. I assume it’s a hybrid? If you can install 220v, I certainly would do that. I used to have a Delta contractor’s saw with a 1.5 hp motor, and I wired it for 220. It rarely felt underpowered, and the lights didn’t dim when I switched it on.

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joshtp

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#8 posted 01-01-2016 09:46 PM

So I asked a bunch of questions about the Delta, and someone else seems to have beat me to it. Coincidentally Home Depot dropped the price on the Dewalt DW745 to $229, and tried for the first time to use a 20% off Harbor Freight coupon which they took without question, coming to $183 before tax, so I got it yesterday.

Of course now I just saw a Grizzly G0690 in excellent shape show up for $200, possibly missing riving knife and guard, but otherwise complete. It’s only 220V, so I’d have to add that to my garage, but it’s very tempting. Hardest part would be to get it out of the guy’s basement, as it comes in at over 500 pounds.

I’d ask what everyone thinks, but I’m sure you’d all say “just do it!” So I told the guy I’m interested. :)

I’m pretty sure someone else will swoop in and offer him a lot more, at it seems to be introduced just in the last year or two and goes for $1500 new, so I’m guessing it’s worth more like $800 and that’s what other people will be offering him, an amount I can’t swing right now.

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#9 posted 01-01-2016 09:56 PM

So I asked a bunch of questions about the Delta, and someone else seems to have beat me to it.
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Of course now I just saw a Grizzly G0690 in excellent shape show up for $200, possibly missing riving knife and guard, but otherwise complete.
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I’d ask what everyone thinks, but I’m sure you’d all say “just do it!” So I told the guy I m interested. :)
- joshtp

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Also, you can break down that saw into manageable chunks, so moving it by yourself is not a problem… and with a hand cart, it’s almost trivial.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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joshtp

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#10 posted 01-11-2016 12:19 AM

Needless to say I never even got a response about the Grizzly.

I’ve been working with the DW745 for a little while now. Keep in mind I’ve used a table saw for maybe a dozen cuts before this, and every one scared me and turned out poorly. I bought a featherboard, and have done a few rip cuts with a makeshift out table and the cuts have turned out pretty decent. I bought a dial indicator to check runout and miter slot to blade alignment, and it was within a couple mils. The fence was pretty straight to the slots and blade, but it was a bit wavy, something like 0.020” variation, mostly dipping in the middle. It is made from pretty thin aluminum after all.

I bought an Incra miter slider and made a crosscut sled, but had to sand down several spots. The bigger issue was the adjustment screws must both be on the table to have little slop, which limits the accurate range of motion to less than 12 inches or so. Otherwise, for shorter cuts at least, I did do the five cut check to get to around 0.001”. I’ve also noticed the issue of how little table is in front of the blade.

So all in all, I’ve already learned the many limitations of this saw, and will keep my eye out on a good deal on a used hybrid or cabinet saw. I can mitigate some issues by making my own custom miter slot sliders, adding an auxiliary fence, and getting some infeed/outfeed tables with miter slots.

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