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Forum topic by bbasiaga posted 12-30-2015 06:34 PM 878 views 0 times favorited 18 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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bbasiaga

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12-30-2015 06:34 PM

Ladies and gents,

I finally ready to buy a jointer. Due to space limitations, i am looking at one of the 6” models with the 55” beds. There is a jet model with standard dovetail beds and quickset knives. There is also a shopfox/grizzly with parallelogram beds. Both are just under 1k.

Both have somewhat moxed reviews. The jet is generally regarded as nice and flat, but sometimes coming with a warped fence.

The Griz/shopfox has fewer reviews, and they seem to be generally good except for the occasio al shipping nightmare.

Help break my indecision. I feel like id rather have the parallelograms, but if jet is generally a better machine and id be avoiding headaches, I could go that way.

Thoughts?

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.


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Ger21

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#1 posted 12-30-2015 07:56 PM

You can find used Jets in excellent (near new) condition in the $400-$500 range.. I sold one myself last year.
An 8” is much more useful, if you can find the space and maybe $1400 for a G0656.

-- Gerry, http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/index.html http://www.jointcam.com

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bbasiaga

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#2 posted 12-30-2015 08:53 PM

I have been classifieds and craigs list searching for the last year and a half. Lots of old crafstman models for $500. Used rigid jointers for $580 (more than new). An ancient rusted out delta for $1200.

In fairness, there were one or two Grizzly and a jet that came up at reasonable prices, but were gone before I got he from work and saw the notice. I dont k ow how people find these great used deals, but so far I have come up dry in the last two states where I lived. I am jealous!

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.

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#3 posted 12-30-2015 08:55 PM

The Jet should be 15% the 2nd week in January, if I am not mistaken. I think I saw that on an email from Woodcraft.

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#4 posted 12-30-2015 10:01 PM

It’s been a while since I shopped for one, but $1k sure seems like a lot for a 6” jointer to me. Do they have spiral cutting heads?

Things change constantly, but at one time the Jet and Grizzly jointers came from the same factory.

HD still shows the “6 Ridgid for $600 in our area….that was a decent basic design that’s similar to the former Griz 1182, 46”ish long, which is long enough for the majority of projects I’ve faced.

Dunno how far you are from Sioux Falls, SD, but there’s a PM 8 inch 1.5hp jointer for $990. There’s a also a $400 Delta 37-190 in Manhattan.

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#5 posted 12-30-2015 10:01 PM

I just bought a craftex 8 inches with parallelogram tables and helicoidal head. Its a Grizzly/Shopfox with a Canadian label. I would not hesitate to buy the 6 inches if I had space limitations but the longer bed and helix head are totally awesome as I am building 3 solid white oak doors. Before I had a general 6 inch short bed and hated it.

-- PJ

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#6 posted 12-30-2015 10:07 PM

Order of importance for jointer purchase…
1. Size. Get the widest, longest jointer you can shoehorn into your shop.
2. Cutterhead. Shelix head beats straight knife jointer, but straight knife will do.
3. Parallelogram beats dovetail way. They stay flat, without shimming or ongoing adjustments.
4. Brand. Get the brand you are more confident with, but don’t sacrifice items 1-3 to do it.

If one has parallelogram tables and all else is equal, by all means get that one.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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#7 posted 12-30-2015 11:04 PM

3. Parallelogram beats dovetail way. They stay flat, without shimming or ongoing adjustments.
[...]
If one has parallelogram tables and all else is equal, by all means get that one.
- pintodeluxe

I hear this quite often, but without much rational to support it. The only real advantage I see with a parallelogram jointer is that it is cheaper to manufacture.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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ThomasChippendale

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#8 posted 12-31-2015 12:27 AM

Being cheaper to manufacture is not relevant to the user unless it translates in lower purchasing price, and it is the opposite, they are more costly. But with my third jointer, this one being parallelogram, I can tell you that it is easier to raise and lower the in-feed table and that tables can be adjusted in squareness with the cutter head and parallelism easily. It may be that the dovetail ways require such accuracy in machining that building an adjustable machine is cheaper but that has more to do with the country of manufacture than the part count and the number of manufacturing steps.

In any case, the table length and weight of the machine are far more important than the table height adjustment mechanism, both are proven.

Cheers

PJ

-- PJ

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#9 posted 12-31-2015 12:33 AM

Imo that’s too much for a 6” jointer. I know that wasn’t your question but a used 6” jointer can be had for $250-350 most areas.

But to answer your question, go with the parallelogram beds.

-- -Dan

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bbasiaga

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#10 posted 12-31-2015 03:36 AM



Imo that s too much for a 6” jointer. I know that wasn t your question but a used 6” jointer can be had for $250-350 most areas.

But to answer your question, go with the parallelogram beds.

- Pezking7p

People keep saying this, but I haven’t seen much worth having in that price range. Old short bed, rusty Craftsman, sometimes Deltas, with the open stand and no dust collection. Lots of table top sized ones (i already have one of those). Some brands I’ve never heard of (Geetech?). Either folks are willing to take more risks, put more work in to them, or just have way better luck than I do on the used market.

I can’t say I’d mind spending less, but I don’t want to waste the cash and/or my time on a rust bucket that needs a ton of work.

-Brian

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.

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knotscott

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#11 posted 12-31-2015 04:14 AM

IIRC, at one time Geetech was the Taiwanese manufacturer of Bridgewood, Jet, Grizzly, Sunhill, Woodtek, General International, maybe some PM, and others. All well proven machines….no worries on that one IMO.

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#12 posted 12-31-2015 12:54 PM

I have an older model 8” Grizzly w/ upgraded aftermarket Shelix.
Satisfied with it except fence flexes and have to keep checking 90 degrees to table.
Newer ones may be better but I think this is an issue worth checking out.

Bottom line I don’t think there’s that much to a jointer (as opposed to BS or TS).
The game breaker for me is usually customer service (Jet and Grizzly have been very good to me).

If you can swing the 8” you won’t regret it.
Helical head well worth the extra expense.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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Ger21

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#13 posted 12-31-2015 12:59 PM



Imo that s too much for a 6” jointer. I know that wasn t your question but a used 6” jointer can be had for $250-350 most areas.

Maybe for a Jointer that originally cost $400-$500.
Right now on Craiigslist in my area (Detroit), there’s a 6” Jet for about $450, a Delta DJ-20 for $1200, and a nice 6” ” Powermatic for $850.
I would consider all to be very good deals, as these prices are close to half of what they cost new, and the Delta and Powermatic are in nearly new condition.

-- Gerry, http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/index.html http://www.jointcam.com

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#14 posted 12-31-2015 01:14 PM

I have a Grizzly G0490, 8” parallelogram jointer, upgraded to a Byrd Shelix head this year. The parallelogram adjustments theoretically make setup much easier – which is to say only moderately painful. I don’t have experience with a jointer that has dovetail ways, but jointer setup is one of the least fun things I’ve done in woodworking and I was happy to have any advantage.

It took me several hours to get my jointer correctly set when I first got it, and even then I didn’t have it perfect. After using it for a year or so, I finally understood enough about jointing/jointers to try to improve upon the setup. After replacing the cutter head with the Byrd, I performed the setup ritual a second time and now it’s great.

For $950 (currently on sale!) it’s a great jointer. Most of the rough lumber I buy seems to be 6-8” in width, so with a 6” jointer I’d be ripping a lot in half at the bandsaw. As stated above, jointers are not overly complicated machines: Flat (hopefully) table, fence, motor, cutterhead. In this case, a brand like a Grizzly more than meets my needs.

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#15 posted 12-31-2015 01:19 PM

go parallel of you can

raising and lowering with a crank
is a tedious process

and time consuming
(and more chance of twisting the tables)

with parallel up and down is simple
for long boards
quick 1/8” cut
for shorter 1/16” or less is good

most shops with older jointers (crank)
just leave them set shallow
but running a board over them 6 or 8 times
gets old real quick

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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