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Alonso

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1686 days ago

Topic tags/keywords: electrolisys baking soda washing soda plane restoration rust removal

Hey folks,

I’m almost ready to start using the Electrolisys rust removal to restore my bench planes and several other tools that I’ve been gathering lately at local garage sales and flea markets, but….

I just can’t find washing soda anywhere….!!!!!

Is there another option or substitute for washing soda that may give me the same results, I read that if you cook baking soda at 350f for an hour or so, you will end up with washing soda aka sodium carbonate.

Please I really need some input on this, any help like always is really appreciated.

Alonso

btw, I already tried Evaporust, I like it , but now I want to try this other method …..

-- The things I make may be for others, but how I make them is for me.


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Jeison

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#1 posted 1686 days ago

Try anyplace that carries pool supplies, if all else fails you can order direct

-- - Jei, Rockford IL - When in doubt, spray it with WD-40 and wrap it with duct tape. The details will attend to themselves.

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TopamaxSurvivor

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#2 posted 1686 days ago

ehow claims it will work. http://www.ehow.com/how_5598724_make-washing-soda-baking-soda.html

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#3 posted 1685 days ago

I had to go to the “fancy” grocery store. Safeway (our main grocery chain) didn’t carry it.

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#4 posted 1685 days ago

Though Evap-o-rust is probably cheaper in the US than here, it becomes a struggle to evaluate whether there is enough net gain in the value of the tool to justify a derusting treatment using the solvent in the first place. A common #4 plane? Cheaper to just buy a new one, for example. I’m going to do some electrolysis experiments as soon as the weather goes above freezing. I want to de-rust some wheels to my old truck, for example. It would take 5 gallons of Evaporust…and these wheels are certainly not worth $162.50 each!

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Alonso

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#5 posted 1685 days ago

Ok, so I went to my local pool supplies and they told me that Soda ash is the same as sodium carbonate, maybe it is since it seems to be some kind of corrosive after all.

Now the issue is that the parts are in the mixture of water and soda ash but no changes at all, they been on the water for about 1 hr already and nothing. I’ll go ahead and change the water for hot water and see if that makes a difference…..

Alonso

-- The things I make may be for others, but how I make them is for me.

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ajosephg

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#6 posted 1685 days ago

Hmm – assume you got the battery or equivalent hooked up correctly?

-- Joe

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Alonso

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#7 posted 1685 days ago

yes… red wire to the re-bar (anode) and black wire to the pieces being de-rusted…. 1/2 hr already on hot water and still nothing…. the meter on the battery chager still at 0 amps…. I wonder if I may need another charger, even though thin one is brand new…

-- The things I make may be for others, but how I make them is for me.

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ajosephg

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#8 posted 1685 days ago

Got a voltmeter? No amps kinda sounds like the charger is not putting out. Think I heard that newer charges won’t work without out a real battery in the circuit.

You could hook it to your car battery for a few minutes to see what happens.

-- Joe

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TopamaxSurvivor

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#9 posted 1685 days ago

Your charger is probably the problem. And, are your chemnicals disolved? Hook up with a battery and let the charger charge the battery.

-- "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#10 posted 1685 days ago

I use this method to clean rust and loosen parts. I tried a battery charger at first and it was really slow. I work in electronics for years and I have a industrial dc power supply. I use it now and its really fast. I can do decent size part in a hour or less. I got a delta 24 inch scroll saw and had it apart. I was able to clean the parts ,paint it and get it back together in one day. The power supply goes up to about 180 DC and is adjustable. I run it up until it starts bubbling a little. The water will be warm in about 5 minutes. If yours is the type that has 12 volts even if the battery is not on it the reason it seems like its not working may be due to it being slow to clean. Use a meter as posted and if the voltage is there it may be due to just taking a long time. I read somewhere it can take 24 hours or longer.

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#11 posted 1685 days ago

Hello Alonso,

I have used Arm & Hammer “baking soda” as washing soda for some reason is hard to find. I use a battery charger keeping it limited to < 2Amp rate and it works fine. It was about a year ago, but I may have used just cold water or may be warm. I used a large 5 gal. plastic bucket lying around and put few tablespoons of baking soda. I added more soda to get decent “bubbling” and have re-used to solution couple of time.

As stated above good electrical connection and correct polarity is a must for the process to work, but is pretty straight forward otherwise.

Good luck!

- Ajay

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AjayO

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#12 posted 1685 days ago

If the charger is putting out voltage (assumed you have done that as suggested by others), I would suggest checking electrical connections again and making sure you are not creating a “short” in the bucket, which would cause 0 Amp reading even though your charger is just fine. Also, the distance between the electrodes also makes a difference.

-Ajay

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ajosephg

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#13 posted 1685 days ago

Big Time Caution if you use a high voltage power supply as Willy does. Depending on where and how well your body gets across it even 40 volts can kill you.

-- Joe

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JayPique

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#14 posted 1685 days ago

Definitely the battery charger – the new ones don’t work.

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#15 posted 1685 days ago

I didn’t read all the posts, but I’ve heard the newer chargers sense something is “wrong” since it isn’t seeing the normal activity it would see when charging a battery. Just something you might want to consider. I spliced a laptop power inverter to get my power source, but please please please, don’t take my advice at face value. research on your own.

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