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Licketysplit

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12-25-2015 04:50 AM

Topic tags/keywords: tablesaw

Any and all suggestions are very welcome. I have around $1500 to spend on what I hope will be a quality table saw. I originally had in mind a DeWalt 745 or 7480 or a Rigid R4512, but I quickly realized that the fences, cut quality, etc are going to be a problem.

I’m currently looking at JET ProShop, Laguna, Powermatic hybrid/contractor style saws with the hope that they are better built than the cheaper saws and that the 1 piece rails and proper fence will provide reliable cuts. One requirement is that I don’t have a ton of space. I’ll need something I can use with a mobile base that could be stored away in a 3×6 foot area when not in use.

Thanks for reading!


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#1 posted 12-25-2015 04:58 AM

You can ANY saw with 36” rip to fit in that footprint. Even a cabinet saw.

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#2 posted 12-25-2015 05:23 AM

At one time Laguna was known for their lack of customer service to individuals (as opposed to professional shops). I don’t know if they still are or not, but it is something I would research beyond just asking their sales department.

Personally, I would seek a ‘like new’ used Powermatic, Delta, or Jet cabinet saw if I wanted to keep cost below $1500. But it would be a cabinet model instead of a contractor saw.

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#3 posted 12-25-2015 05:28 AM

$1500 can get you a nice used cabinet saw with enough left over for some other nice tools, like a jointer or band saw. Mobile bases are cheap and plentiful, and as theFridge mentioned, almost any saw you get will easily fit in a 3×6 foot area (and a contractor type saw will actually require more space due to the motor hanging out the back). If you absolutely have to buy new for whatever reason, then your choices become more limited and the quality will suffer.

Cheers,
Brad

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#4 posted 12-25-2015 05:32 AM

Do you have 220v available?

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#5 posted 12-25-2015 05:37 AM

Just to amend this, I was also considering the Grizzly G0690 but the low price has me suspicious, and the lack of a local-ish dealer also has me worried about handling potential problems. These cabinet saws are quite heavy, and I certainly won’t have a lot of help—as in, it’s probably just going to be me!

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#6 posted 12-25-2015 05:40 AM



Do you have 220v available?

- knotscott

I’d have to have it put in, but that probably wouldn’t be a problem, unless you all know something about this that I don’t. :-)

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#7 posted 12-25-2015 05:45 AM


$1500 can get you a nice used cabinet saw with enough left over for some other nice tools, like a jointer or band saw. Mobile bases are cheap and plentiful, and as theFridge mentioned, almost any saw you get will easily fit in a 3×6 foot area (and a contractor type saw will actually require more space due to the motor hanging out the back). If you absolutely have to buy new for whatever reason, then your choices become more limited and the quality will suffer.

What about the Grizzly G0690 at that price point? Trunnions are cabinet mounted, good rails and fence, and seems like a good one. I’d probably have to disassemble it at the curb and carry it piece by piece into the garage and reassemble it though. Based on my interpretation of their site, I’d also need to pay to actually have it lowered to the curb from the semi. I could very well be reading that wrong.

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#8 posted 12-25-2015 06:50 AM

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#9 posted 12-25-2015 06:54 AM

The delivery driver will have a pallet truck. Ask him to move the saw from the curb. Even if you have to do it yourself you can walk the saw quite easily.

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#10 posted 12-25-2015 07:10 AM

You can easily single hand a cabinet saw – they are simple to break down into manageable chunks, making it pretty trivial to move by yourself. Even easier if you have a hand cart or movers dolly.

I don’t have any opinion regarding the Griz… but I have noticed something over the past several years regarding what might be a clever marketing trick from them. It goes like this… get one of their more affordable machines, take delivery, and then find out something isn’t quite right. Can range from missing or broken/damaged bits, weird operation, unusual scratches/dents, adjustment problems, whatever… then one of two things happens, either you wind up having to ship stuff back, receive the replacement and install it yourself, or…. you contact them, agree to ship it back, and in the process get talked into getting a different, more expensive machine :)

Doesn’t happen all the time, but it seems to be happening more frequently lately based on stories here and on other sites (such as this fairly recent thread). Which ever route you decide to take, I wish you good luck on the venture!

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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#11 posted 12-25-2015 07:37 AM



You can easily single hand a cabinet saw – they are simple to break down into manageable chunks, making it pretty trivial to move by yourself. Even easier if you have a hand cart or movers dolly.

I don t have any opinion regarding the Griz… but I have noticed something over the past several years regarding what might be a clever marketing trick from them. It goes like this… get one of their more affordable machines, take delivery, and then find out something isn t quite right. Can range from missing or broken/damaged bits, weird operation, unusual scratches/dents, adjustment problems, whatever… then one of two things happens, either you wind up having to ship stuff back, receive the replacement and install it yourself, or…. you contact them, agree to ship it back, and in the process get talked into getting a different, more expensive machine :)

Doesn t happen all the time, but it seems to be happening more frequently lately based on stories here and on other sites (such as this fairly recent thread). Which ever route you decide to take, I wish you good luck on the venture!

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix


This would be quite expensive to do deliberately. Let’s admit they talked you into G1023 RL which is $1275. via their hybrid which costs $700. They pay two way shipping $200. They also sell the hybrid with a discount as an open box, another $100. Plus they need to service it, another $50. So their advertisement campaign is $350 for a saw. Plus some people just take refund. So $350 is lost.

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#12 posted 12-25-2015 07:47 AM

This would be quite expensive to do deliberately. Let s admit they talked you into G1023 RL which is $1275. via their hybrid which costs $700. They pay two way shipping $200. They also sell the hybrid with a discount as an open box, another $100. Plus they need to service it, another $50. So their advertisement campaign is $350 for a saw. Plus some people just take refund. So $350 is lost.
- Karamba

Yeah, it doesn’t seem like the smartest way to go about things – but I see it happening more and more. Without knowing their margins though, it’s hard to say what it may do to their bottom line. I think someone else said that the situation seems like the customer winds up providing their quality control (or was that Harbor Freight?) :)

Cheers,
Brad

PS: It seems like 716 got someone else’s return based on it’s condition – and there wasn’t any discount involved there! No telling what they may do with those machines that come back.

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JackDuren

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#13 posted 12-25-2015 12:40 PM

A good used Unisaw, Powermatic or Grizzly you can get for around $1000 -+ and then you can buy the mobile base.

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#14 posted 12-25-2015 12:54 PM

Sawstop

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#15 posted 12-25-2015 01:38 PM

Do you have 220v available?

- knotscott

I d have to have it put in, but that probably wouldn t be a problem, unless you all know something about this that I don t. :-)

- Licketysplit

Adding 220v can be fairly easy, but every situation is different. The savings from Grizzly are mainly due to the lack of dealer markup….along with that comes lack of local dealer support, but their corporate customer service has an excellent reputation. You have to be willing to be your own middle man. That’s an executive decision you’ll have to make.

In the case of the G0690, it’s an excellent well proven saw with a good fence….nearly exactly the same saw as the Laguna Platinum, Baleigh, Shop Fox, Craftex, Harvey, and others, all of which sell for more due to dealer profit (same factory, same parts). Fit and finish may not be quite as polished as the PM1000 (it’s arguable), but it is a significant step up in class from all of those 120v hybrid saws….sort of like comparing an S10 to a Silverado 3500….both are pickup trucks, but one is much more substantial. The true industrial cabinet saws have a lot more power, much more substantial underpinnings, bigger handwheels, often better fences. All of the saws on your list are good capable saws, but not necessarily the most saw you can get for you money IMO. (The G1023RL or RLW are worthy of consideration too IMO if you opt for a 220v saw)

FYI – the fence on the Laguna Fusion and nearly identical Baleigh hybrid have aluminum two-piece extrusions, rails, as well as a bolted fence tube vs welded.

Laguna Platinum:

Grizzly G0690:


Fusion:

Good luck!

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