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Forum topic by AandCstyle posted 12-25-2015 12:30 AM 681 views 2 times favorited 11 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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AandCstyle

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12-25-2015 12:30 AM

Topic tags/keywords: question stickley sofa white oak

My son would like a sofa that looks like this chair=. The sofa would accommodate three 26” cushions making the seat 78” long. It doesn’t need to recline. I found plans for a similar chair in FWW May/June 2009 and Greg Paolini used backrest posts that were 1 1/8” thick by 1 5/8” wide, The top back slat was 3 7/8” wide by 1/2” thick and the remaining 4 back slats were 2 1/2” wide and the same thickness. Also, the back slats were gently curved.

Do you think that beefing the backrest posts to 1 1/2” thick by 2” wide and slats (straight, not curved) to 5” and 3” wide respectively and 7/8” thick and replacing the Pivot and support pins with 1/2” steel rod would be sufficient to make the back strong enough to hold 3 adults? The tenons would be up-sized accordingly. The wood will be white oak.

I am not concerned about the dimensions of the front and back stretchers because I made a 7’ sofa, so I know the size they need to be, but the integrity of the back on this piece is a concern.

Thanks for any guidance.

-- Art


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#1 posted 12-25-2015 12:55 AM

Not sure if this photo helps or not, but here’s a Greene and Greene sofa that I saw at the NW Woodworker’s gallery earlier this year.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/427/19210742002_761222ddf0_o.jpg

Link is the full sized photo.

It looks like they have a pretty beefy back leg that extends all the way into the back. Upper stretcher on the back looks pretty wide (front to back, around 3-4”?), and goes from around 1” thick on the ends to around 2” thick in the center from the cloud lift.

The tall rear legs tied into the wide upper stretcher should provide a lot of the strength needed. Maybe tie in 2 more legs in the rear where the seat cushions split, just not deep enough to show past the cushions.

I’ve never built a sofa before, so I can’t say that it will work for certain. Take that for what it’s worth.

-- The quality of one's woodworking is directly related to the amount of flannel worn.

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#2 posted 12-25-2015 01:03 AM

Thanks, JMartel, adding a couple “hidden” legs would solve the strength issue and not detract from the appearance at all. I probably wouldn’t even need to increase the dimensions on the backrest posts of the slats. :)

-- Art

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#3 posted 01-13-2016 11:39 PM

Hey Art,

Seems one of my clients is asking about an AC style sofa to go with all the other AC pieces, especially the Morris Chairs, I’ve done for her. She has very similar wishes as your son.

I’d suggested a classic prairie settle but she wants more of a ‘comfy’ sofa with AC makings about it. I found a few ideas I’d like to bounce off you if you don’t mind.

This caught my eye with a higher back. See the next image.

The back is a straight up/down but I was thinking along your lines of an angled back separate from the bottom rail. I like your idea of a steel pin for the pivot and such. Building it as is wouldn’t be bad. The cushions shown are 10 inch base tapering to 3 inch. Of course building it like a Morris would allow some dis-assembly and would lighten the load when moving but I’m concerned about the support and strength.

Sorry, I guess I’m answering a question with a question here.

Thanks Terry

-- T Loftus -- Just on the edge of common sense

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#4 posted 01-14-2016 12:01 AM

Hey, Terry, my son subsequently found this sofa= that he likes a lot. It might work for your client as well. I am still waiting for the stock to acclimate so I haven’t begun construction yet. I was also concerned about moving it through doorways, etc. which is one of the reasons I liked the removable back. However, the back on this sofa is only 34” (I assume that is with the cushions) so doors shouldn’t be a problem. The Morris chair back is about 40”. I intend to make the back sloping at about a 10 degree angle from vertical and to add 2 hidden legs, one at the break between the seat cushions each of which will be 26” wide. Does this help you?

-- Art

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#5 posted 01-14-2016 03:30 PM

Hey Art,

Nice looking sofa your son found. The Stickley site is always a spot for ideas.

Thanks for the information, this well help me in deciding the build process. I hope you’ll blog on your sofa build, I’m sure many other LJ’s would enjoy riding along.

Thanks again. I really enjoy your work.

—Terry

-- T Loftus -- Just on the edge of common sense

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#6 posted 01-14-2016 11:58 PM

Terry, thank you! I will follow the instructions from Greg Paolini on FWW. Unfortunately, it is a members only video series. I usually get too caught up in the work to member to take pix and most of what I will be doing is pretty standard stuff or stuff I haven’t done previously and, therefore, not qualified to display. However, with the disclaimers out of the way, I will consider it.

-- Art

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#7 posted 01-15-2016 01:18 AM

Art,

Good stuff. I’m a FWW member as well so I’ll be checking this out. Thanks for the tip.

FYI Here’s a link to a couch my client is interested in currently. Looks like a ‘beefy’ Morris Chair.

http://berkeleymills.com/products/arts-crafts-sofa/

—Terry

-- T Loftus -- Just on the edge of common sense

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#8 posted 01-15-2016 01:55 PM

Terry, beefy is right. I hadn’t intended to charge my son half that! :D JK, the kid gets it gratis.

I do like the arched top rail, mirroring the front rail. If I could find a wide enough board, it wouldn’t be that much more work to make both at the same time. Looks like I better sharpen the spoke shave. ha

-- Art

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#9 posted 01-31-2016 04:31 PM

Hey Art,

You’ve made a lot of really nice stuff, so let me add my voice to the request that you blog about your projects. Almost all woodworking is “standard stuff”, but which technique to use and why you made your choice and what the ramifications were are an important legacy for the rest of us. Unless we’re in production mode, almost all of the stuff we do is stuff we haven’t done before. That in no way disqualifies you from blogging about it. On the contrary, it inspires us to try something we haven’t done before.

I blog for two reasons, to share my mistakes and victories to inform and inspire others, and to record my decisions, mistakes, etc. for future reference. For example, I built a wooden boat a couple of years ago and I’m about to start building another. How silly would it be to make some of the same mistakes again?

This is a wonderful site, and the stuff you make is right in my sweet spot (e.g. Rodel chairs, etc.). Your son has obviously inherited your good taste. The A&C genre needs more guys like you, Schroeder, Pintodeluxe, TBone, etc. Thanks in advance for your contributions.

-- You can't control the wind, but you can trim your sails

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#10 posted 01-31-2016 07:10 PM

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#11 posted 02-01-2016 12:48 AM

Hey, Captain, thank you for the encouragement and compliment. However, I am not worthy of being in the same esteemed company as the people you mentioned. They are craftsmen (craftspeople) and I am just a hack. I hope to start the sofa in about a week, so I might post some progress pix, but there will definitely be no words of wisdom. ;)

Jim, that is a beautiful piece you found. I sent the link to my son for his consideration. Thank you!

-- Art

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