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12-24-2015 03:35 AM

I’m going to be needing or wanting a new fence for the old saw I’m restoring. I have been thinking about the TSLS 52 in. Incra. I’ve got a couple of questions about it first. Can the rails be positioned left or right to give me the room I want toward the left? Is this the best fence available as most people say and is it very hard to use. I’ve heard some say that it’s not the easiest. I’ve found a price of 499.00 for the fence and leg set and 10% off that if I buy before Jan 1st. Is that a decent price? Thanks in advance
Gerald


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#1 posted 12-24-2015 04:07 AM

Got a 32” LS-III and absolutely love it. It is very easy to use, slide it to the mark and flop the lock for a perfect 1/32+-.002 – take all of 5s.

Incra miter fence is perfect complement:

The fence rails are universal and can be slid either way.

Don’t waste $ on the legs, it comes with a couple of spare brackets you can use to mount a pair of 2×4 legs for free.

This tool will raise the quality of your work to the next level.

M

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#2 posted 12-24-2015 04:36 AM

On you fence exactly how long are the rails? I’m assuming 32”, is that correct?
Gerald

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#3 posted 12-24-2015 04:44 AM

No, the rails extend about 36” to the right (or 60” for the aircraft carrier model) The arm of the fence another can extend 32 inches past that at full rip, but it just needs that last 32 while cutting. You can reduce the 32 to nothing if you slide the fence to the blade. Yes it is big. I filled the gap with a router insert so the fence works for both tools.

M

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#4 posted 12-24-2015 04:48 AM

I have an Incra fence for my router table. I rarely use it to it’s full capabilities, though maybe that will change since I’m becoming more of a woodworker than a carpenter :) However I think the Incra fence design – the micro adjustments and all the other bells and whistles – are way more than is necessary for a cabinet saw fence. I really don’t see any utility in it for that purpose and probably would just use it as a traditional fence. Maybe someone can ejumacate me on what it can do and why I need one. Or maybe I’ll go look at a YT video on it.

I recently purchased the VSCT fence and feel it’s what a fence should be – true, plumb, stable, heavy, hold it’s adjustment and offer some way of attaching jigs and sacrificial fences without much trouble. The VSCT fence fits that description.

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#5 posted 12-24-2015 12:26 PM

The Incra takes up a lot of room to the right of the saw, and is a bit expensive but is tough to beat for precision and repeatability.

Fences like the Biesemeyer and it’s clones, and the Vega are very popular…they tend to be less expensive, very durable, and goof proof. Precision is good, but not quite to the degree of the Incra. It really depends on what you want/need for what you’ll be doing.

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#6 posted 12-24-2015 12:42 PM

Larger question is idea we have of dead accuracy “off the saw cuts”, aka being a wood machinist essentially.

Used to focus on this but found it actually adds a level of error and frustration as you will see in the course of building a project because wood is not a stable material and most of the time you are trial fitting things going back to machine over and over. Plus you want to get rid of blade marks most of the time anyway.

I abandoned the “wood machining” approach and now it seems much better to get it close then fine tune with hand planes. You can actually be more accurate with hand tools than you can imagine. Just food for thought about a philosphy of ww’ing.

Just my opinion, a good fence is extremely accurate so I think you can spend $500 is much better ways.
The Incra system for router fence is money better spent.

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#7 posted 12-24-2015 04:07 PM

I’ve got the bessey style on my sawstop, and if I was to upgrade I’d use the very super cool tools with the aluminum extrusion.

google very super cool tools.

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#8 posted 12-24-2015 08:37 PM



Got a 32” LS-III and absolutely love it. It is very easy to use, slide it to the mark and flop the lock for a perfect 1/32+-.002 – take all of 5s.

Incra miter fence is perfect complement:

The fence rails are universal and can be slid either way.

Don t waste $ on the legs, it comes with a couple of spare brackets you can use to mount a pair of 2×4 legs for free.

This tool will raise the quality of your work to the next level.

M

- MadMark

I’ve used them and don’t count on them for accuracy. Its not in the tool but in the user to to improve their work

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#9 posted 12-24-2015 08:46 PM

I had a Vega fence before on a Bosch contractor saw and it worked very well.
The fine adjust nob is a great feature as well.

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#10 posted 12-24-2015 08:49 PM

I’m going to be needing or wanting a new fence for the old saw I m restoring.
- alittleoff

From the original picture of your saw:

You have a Jet-lock fence. Have you even tried it yet to see how you like it? Properly adjusted, it can be workable fence – dead nuts square and pretty darn accurate (and the ‘micro-adjust’ feature is a nice bonus). I’d be more inclined to clean it up and give it a try before just dismissing it and throwing more money at the saw than you already have. At least that will give you the ability to use the saw and the time to look for a replacement should you find it lacking somehow. I have a Biesemeyer sitting in the wings for mine, but haven’t felt any pressing need to put it on, as the Jet-lock works just fine for me currently. If you want to disassemble, clean and paint to match the saw, here is a short how-to I wrote up a while back.

Cheers,
Brad

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#11 posted 12-24-2015 08:56 PM



I m going to be needing or wanting a new fence for the old saw I m restoring.
- alittleoff

From the original picture of your saw:

You have a Jet-lock fence. Have you even tried it yet to see how you like it? Properly adjusted, it can be workable fence – dead nuts square and pretty darn accurate. I d be more inclined to clean it up and give it a try before just dismissing it and throwing more money at the saw than you already have. At least that will give you the ability to use the saw and the time to look for a replacement should you find it lacking somehow. I have a Biesemeyer sitting in the wings for mine, but haven t felt any pressing need to put it on, as the Jet-lock works just fine for me currently. If you want to disassemble, clean and paint, here is a short how-to I wrote up a while back.

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix

Sorry but that was one fence I’ve always hated. crap in my opinion…

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#12 posted 12-24-2015 09:00 PM

Sorry but that was one fence I’ve always hated. crap in my opinion…
- JackDuren

An opinion without any rational behind why – doesn’t help much :)

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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#13 posted 12-24-2015 10:57 PM



Sorry but that was one fence I ve always hated. crap in my opinion…
- JackDuren

An opinion without any rational behind why – doesn t help much :)

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix

I’ve used those fences in the early 80’s and they were not very usable. Constantly checking the fence before and after the blade for alignment. Luckily they were eliminated and upgraded with Biesemeyer.

If I voice an opinion it’s based on professional usage…

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#14 posted 12-24-2015 11:14 PM

I’ve used those fences in the early 80 s and they were not very usable. Constantly checking the fence before and after the blade for alignment. Luckily they were eliminated and upgraded with Biesemeyer.

If I voice an opinion it s based on professional usage…
- JackDuren

LOL – while I have no doubt that you may have had issues, in the dozens of times I’ve seen people with such problems, it was due to improper adjustment – although occasionally it was due to a bent or damaged front guide rail or head casting. The way it locks is in fact similar to the T-square varieties, with three points of contact in front. The rear locking mechanism should not engage until after the front has, and it provides a very square and rigid fence with no deflection. The Biesemeyer is a nice fence, as is the Unifence and all other T-square types, but a properly adjusted Jet-lock is just as usable by a lot of folks, and has been for decades. Given the amount of money the OP has already had to invest to get the saw running, the suggestion was simply to try the jet-lock before throwing more money at the machine, as it may not be necessary.

The one drawback to the fence, IMO, is that it must be slid off the rails to remove, instead of just being able to lift it up like the T-squares.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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#15 posted 12-24-2015 11:33 PM

Wasn’t due to improper settings. There just crappy fences. Bottom line…. Too many saws were replaced with much better fence systems.

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