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Forum topic by MPMaint posted 12-23-2015 01:14 PM 1507 views 0 times favorited 48 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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MPMaint

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12-23-2015 01:14 PM

Hey guys, long time listener first time caller. Im looking to replace my table saw. I currently have an early 70’s Delta contractors saw with a 52 unifence. Its a heavy cast iron top with the cast aluminum wings. 1.5hp right tilt. It has served me well and in great condition. Weekend warrior furniture maker and a remodeler by day.
Its time to move to a cabinet saw. Not sure where to go from here. Im thinking of a used powermatic 66, used unisaw, or a new grizzly 1023. I was looking at the saw stops and the new powermatic 2000’s. Seeing as thou the PM’s are built in china, might as well saw a ton and buy the Grizzly. Saw stops….Im not totally sold on electronics on a table saw and the price.
Feedback would be great.
Thanks


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rwe2156

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#1 posted 12-23-2015 03:03 PM

Miriad of reviews/LJ threads/opinions out there.

Here’s mine – PM not worth the premium $$. Other machines like their lathes probably are.

Grizzly is, well, Grizzly. Don’t have their TS but I have 3 of their machines: a 16” drum sander, 8” jointer and 20” planer. Of the three the planer is the best machine (BTW identical casting to a PM). Jointer fence won’t stay square. Drum sander a PITA until I put hook and loop.

Delta has not been Rockwell for a while.
SS is living large in our era of no-risk, low self-responsibility living. Taking advantage of fearfulness/liability. (Need to buy some stock…..)

I would take a look at Jet. I struggled with an old 70’s era Crapsman TS for years finally bit the bullet like you and went for a Jet Xacta cut LEFT tilt (get a left tilt). Never looked back. 15 years moderate use not a hitch.

They are all made in Taiwan. Diff will be in the switches/motors/quality of castings.
Customer service is big. I’ve had very good with Jet and Grizzly.

Bottom line: there are many good cabinet saws out there that will all perform well.

Get the LJ feedback but do your own due diligence and check the reviews.

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#2 posted 12-23-2015 03:15 PM

A 3 hp cabinet saw would be next big step up. If your not in a hurry, check Craigslist daily. I have seen some very good deals on 3 hp table saws. You have to decide what brand and features are important for yourself.

-- Julian

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#3 posted 12-23-2015 03:24 PM

A unisaw with a unifence would be at the top of my list.

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#4 posted 12-23-2015 05:58 PM

Even though it sounds like it was setup nicely, any of those saws are going to be a nice step up from your current contractor saw. There are pros and cons with each. If there are some hot deals on a nice used saw in your area, it’s always worth some consideration.

I think there’s little argument that the PM66 and most Unisaws are built a bit more robustly than a new G1023RL (or G0690), but the Grizzlies are built well enough for the vast majority of hobbyists and some lighter duty commercial shops. Other pluses for the Grizzly saws are modern design updates, a true riving knife, and that new car smell…aka warranty. As new saws go, it’s hard to beat the value of the G1023RL IMO.

If I were going to spend the kind of money that buys a PM2000, there’s little question that I’d opt for a well appointed Saw Stop PCS 3hp instead. Both are fine Asian made saws from well respected companies, but one won’t amputate for fingers in the event of an accident. I just don’t see enough added value in a new PM2000 to compensate for what an upgraded PCS 3hp with a T-Glide fence offers.

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#5 posted 12-23-2015 06:09 PM

I’m not totally sold on electronics on a table saw and the price.
- MPMaint

Me either… electronics fail… it’s not a matter of if, but when – and given that the only real advantage SS has right now is their electronics, once that advantage goes away (ie: patents expire, or Bosch/PTI come out with a better alternative), I have doubts about their longevity in the market.

I would keep an eye out for a nice used saw with an original fence (or missing one completely) – it would be a more robust machine, less expensive, and you could bolt that Unifence on it easily (even more so if you find a Unisaw).

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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MPMaint

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#6 posted 12-23-2015 06:54 PM

Guys, thanks for the replies. From what Im reading, I see some of you are fans of some brands and not other while the guy likes what the other guy dont. Kindda like the Ford Chevy argument that gone on for years.

rwe2156- I agree with you on the grizzly stuff. Good for what they are which isn’t much. I havnt looked too closely at the Jets. Perhaps an older one???? I met the Jet rep last month and he basically told me an older unisaw was hard to beat while winking an awful lot. I got the message and I mentioned the PM 2000 and he kept referring to the unisaw.

Fridge- I have to agree with the unifence. I like it. I know there isn’t a lot of people who do but its a nice system. Better after I replaced the magnifying curser with a non magnifying.

Knotscott- I think I would rather stay away from any new equipment. Two reasons, price and quality. Yes, the imports have come a long way in the past decade but nothing like an old piece of american iron. Perhaps I’m wrong (i am a lot lol) but everything made today just sucks. Nice features but weak and flimsy.

I read a lot about “fit and finish”. A nice looking saw dont turn me on as much as a quality piece of functional and robust machinery. Althou I did own a ryobi BT3000 and I loved it. It didn;t do much but it was fun to play with.
If I did a Unisaw or a PM66, what would be the best fence setup?

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#7 posted 12-23-2015 07:00 PM

I went with a new Delta Unisaw and so far, am very happy with my choice. The decision came down to the idea that all of the saws I was interested in are now made in Chine or Taiwan. The Delta has some really nice user features that the other saws didn’t offer. It’s as heavy as an industrial saw and has a single piece trunnion and the largest table surface. The controls are all up front. Was going to pull the trigger on a Grizzly, but read about issues that I wasn’t interested in finding out if I would have to deal with them. The cost savings would have been nice, but it’s a large tool and taking it apart to replace new components didn’t figure into the picture I imagined. The price was the final consideration. For a bit more than the Grizzly, I feel I have a much better saw. JMO :) I purchased it from International Tools. They appear to have the best prices on all the mainstream saws. Just need to stay on top of them regarding delivery.

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716

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#8 posted 12-23-2015 07:04 PM


patents expire, or Bosch/PTI come out with a better alternative),
- MrUnix

They already did I guess the legal battle still going on but you can buy the saw here
:

However Bosch makes only jobsite saws.

-- It's nice!

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#9 posted 12-23-2015 07:20 PM

Grizzly G0715P hybrid cabinet saw, Incra LS-III precision fence and miter gauge, Freud LU83 10” blade and Wixey digital height gauge.

Saw with Milwaukee 3hp router in right wing.


LS-III precision fence


Incra miter gauge


Digital height gauge


Digital angle gauge

M

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#10 posted 12-23-2015 07:28 PM

Well I’ve used em all really. I had a 1023slx for 10+ years that worked great good for the money. The PM’s cabinet saws are a good saw, as are the old delta’s can’t go wrong really

If you want the safety and can afford it the saw stop is the perfect saw. I will say up front that my sawstop 5hp ICS is a far better class of machine than my griz, on many fronts, but at the end of the day they both cut wood. However I wanted the safety and think its worth it.

Again, if you got the budget the sawstop is the best out there when factoring in all features, but you can’s go wrong with any that you mentioned.

Good luck and post pic’s no matter what you get. We all love looking at other’s toys. Cheers and merry Christmas!

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#11 posted 12-23-2015 08:04 PM


patents expire, or Bosch/PTI come out with a better alternative),
- MrUnix
They already did I guess the legal battle still going on but you can buy the saw here
:

However Bosch makes only jobsite saws.
- 716

(grin) That was my point… but it’s just a matter of time before the other guys jump in with a cabinet saw – at which point, I doubt SS will be able to compete.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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716

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#12 posted 12-23-2015 09:12 PM


Grizzly G0715P hybrid cabinet saw, Incra LS-III precision fence and miter gauge, Freud LU83 10” blade and Wixey digital height gauge.

- MadMark

A cool demotivator for those on the fence about buying a table saw or even starting the hobby.

-- It's nice!

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#13 posted 12-23-2015 09:22 PM

The saw is an entry level ($800) hybrid cabinet saw. The $60 blade is half the cost of a Forrest WW-II, The Wixey readouts are only about $30 each. The Incra miter gauge is around $150 and the LS-III fence is another $300 or so. So you can do extreme precision work for $1500 with enough left over for a ZCI and lunch!

Plus, you can buy it piecemeal (as I have done.)

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#14 posted 12-23-2015 10:13 PM

Sawstop without the electronics is the best saw on the market right now. Bar none. The Bosch reaxx is more money than the sawstop jobsite saw and less saw. I would say Sawstop looks pretty competitive.

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#15 posted 12-24-2015 01:14 AM

As a long time owner of a Delta Contractor saw with the Unifence (I had the option of that or the Beis and happy I chose the Uni) and given your use, why the need to upgrade? I understand the dust collection and power things but quite frankly my “baby” seems to do whatever I ask of it.

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