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Thesepaperwings

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12-17-2015 05:51 PM

So I’m at the point where my DW735 needs new blades. I am torn between getting the shelix head or I have an opportunity to grab a Belsaw 9103. I measured out how much floor space something like this would actually take and its about the same due to my DW735 having a dust bin built into it. Both are on rollers so moving around the garage is about the same. I can swing either price wise. I’m curious about what would be louder, the floor plane with straight blades or a bench model with a helical cutter? I know that motor noise would be less from the floor model and the cutting noise would be lower from the helical. Anyone one ever been around those combinations and know if there is a serious sound difference? I wear ear protection but I’m curious which one the neighbors will say is louder.

My current process is to grab a scrub plane to get my rough boards “flatish”, into the planer for actual thickness and then a card scraper for finishing.

Don’t suggest keeping both, I already horde tools and I’m trying to keep the big ones to a minimum.


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#1 posted 12-17-2015 06:01 PM

In a small town in middle America everyone has one planer.The man with two planers is the king!

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#2 posted 12-17-2015 06:04 PM

I recently went to a floor model grizzly over the porter cable lunch box. It’s obviously takes up more space but it’s nice not having to mess with picking up the pc every time I need to use it, plus having dc is nice. Surprisingly, they both were about the same in the noise category. Not sure how loud the dewalt would be with the helix head, but I’d say a lot quieter. My jointer has a helix head, not sure how loud the straight knife one is, but I don’t need to wear ear protection with it on it’s so quiet.

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#3 posted 12-17-2015 06:06 PM

I have a lunchbox segmented cutter head and a 5hp floor model and the noise difference is night and day, even with both having the same kind of cutter head.
The lunchbox though is not a shelix and is composed of much less knives per head than the 20” floor model.

I think the biggest difference is the motor. The lunchbox I have is a universal motor, which adds a lot to the overall noise. The motor on the floor model is an induction motor and is much quiter.

I have to wear hearing protection on the lunchbox, and do not on the floor planer.

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#4 posted 12-17-2015 06:21 PM

I’d go shelix. 735s noise doesn’t bother me.

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#5 posted 12-17-2015 06:24 PM

I switched from a lunch box to a floor model some time ago,depending on the model you get I found my spiral head floor model less noisy than the old delta lunch box. Another benefit to going with a floor model is that you don’t have to be as careful about tipping your planner over with heavier long pieces of wood.

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#6 posted 12-17-2015 06:27 PM

The first question is what will you do with it. I probably plane around 400-500 board feet a year. I have the DW735 and a 15” planer. . I use the DeWalt the majority of the time. I buy most of my wood with a pass through a planer on each side.

I have straight knives in my planer as I do not plane figured wood. Would I like to have a segmented head….of course but I also need other tools.

Once you figure out what you will run through your planer, I think your choice Wil be obvious.

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#7 posted 12-17-2015 06:30 PM

I was in the market for a shelix head planer when I found a brand new Jet 16” for 600.00. It was hard turn down. I bought it and not having the shelix head never missed it. Blades are pricey, but I have two sets and have the other set sharpened immediately after installing the last set. Withe blade being 150.00 I have acquired a metal finder and use it religiously, though. I have a supermax drum sander so I plane then sand everything now…..I couldn’t be happier. While the belsaw might not be exactly what you want, opportunity and price dictate wants sometimes too. As for the noise….in most towns noise ordinances do not apply between the hours of 8:00 am and 10:00 pm…..my planer really isn’t much noisier than my TS.
Mike

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#8 posted 12-17-2015 07:24 PM

My current process is to grab a scrub plane to get my rough boards “flatish”, into the planer for actual thickness and then a card scraper for finishing.

- Thesepaperwings

It sounds like you should be shopping for a jointer first!

I went through this conundrum recently, and decided on the Shelix for the 735. It works great. Given a choice of a large stationary planer with traditional straight knives, or a 13” with a Shelix I would choose the spiral head. The finish is just vastly superior with figured wood. No more tearout makes me smile.

13” vs. 15” isn’t much of a selling point. Stepping up to a 20” would be useful on some projects, but that is another price point.

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#9 posted 12-17-2015 07:28 PM

Strictly a guess on my part, but I’d say the stationary would be quieter than a Shelix 735. I went from a Delta lunchbox some years ago to a 15” stationary…and eventually installed a Shelix. The Shelix does make a planer quieter but to me it seemed like it was more from the DC airflow than the cutting action, I wish I had done some before and after sound measurements when I had mine….but didn’t, so I’m going without actual data (never a problem for a woodworker).

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#10 posted 12-17-2015 10:02 PM



I switched from a lunch box to a floor model some time ago,depending on the model you get I found my spiral head floor model less noisy than the old delta lunch box. Another benefit to going with a floor model is that you don t have to be as careful about tipping your planner over with heavier long pieces of wood.

- a1Jim


Was always in my plans to upgrade to a stationary planer…more for the benefits of a hard bed vs. the stamped metal beds inherent on the lunch box (not complaining about my Delta 13” other than it took some time to “tune” it). What did you end up with?

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#11 posted 12-17-2015 11:00 PM

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#12 posted 12-17-2015 11:39 PM



It sounds like you should be shopping for a jointer first!

I went through this conundrum recently, and decided on the Shelix for the 735. It works great. Given a choice of a large stationary planer with traditional straight knives, or a 13” with a Shelix I would choose the spiral head. The finish is just vastly superior with figured wood. No more tearout makes me smile.

13” vs. 15” isn t much of a selling point. Stepping up to a 20” would be useful on some projects, but that is another price point.

- pintodeluxe

I want a bigger jointer but my 6” is a labor of love because I restored it. If I want to flatten something wider then 6” then it’s time for the hand planes :)

One of the things that I just read somewhere is that the feed rollers on a larger planer can mar the wood? Do you think that is the case on softer woods? Most of what I use is walnut and cherry so maybe I would be fine?

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#13 posted 12-18-2015 01:07 AM

Full-size planers use metal, toothed feed rollers that put grooves in the wood. They are designed to remove at least a 1/32” of material per pass and if you don’t take a heavy enough cut, those grooves won’t be removed. If you want to remove a lot of material quickly, go with a bigger planer. If you want precision and the ability to take shallow passes or plane thin stock the small benchtop models are best.

Using a benchtop, I can sneak up on the final thickness by taking light passes until I’m plus or minus .003” from the desired dimension. That’s useful if you want to make tenon stock.

Ideally, you’d want to have both planers but that’s not a luxury most people can afford.

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#14 posted 12-18-2015 01:15 AM

I’ve got a northfield 18” planer from the 60’s that is 3phase and weighs in at over a 1000 lbs. Its a monster that can chew 1/4 in a pass. I also have a 25 year old makita 2012 12” planer that still cuts smooth as a baby’s bottom. Would not get rid of either and both have their place.

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#15 posted 12-18-2015 03:56 AM

I wouldn’t put a 500 dollar Bryd head in a 735 too many plastic parts to break.I do have a bryd Head in my powermatic Its a totally differant level than a bench top.But it lacks the ability to dimention small stuff precisely.As others have mentioned.

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