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01-09-2010 08:10 AM

Guys, about a month ago I found a newer model Unisaw with a 52 biesemeyer fence on CL. The pics showed it in like new condition and the fella wanted 600.00. I had the opportunity but not the extra funds. OK, well there would be another deal next year during the holidays, everyone needs holiday cash right? I told my wife if I see another great deal like that I am buying it quick.

Tonight I was sanding with my drum sander toy (I tend to work some at night after my day job). I came inside, did my usual CL check and look what I found.

Powermatic in good condition with what appears to be 50” fence for 600 OBO. I thought, I am buying that now! I called and the fella says one other guy beat me and has arranged to come to this guys home tomorrow at 9 am. I am thinking it is likely sold if that guy shows up tomorrow at 9 am. So I missed on this one. The guy did tell me he also has a 3 hp grizzly shaper and a lot of cutters to go with it he would sell for 300.00 so I might consider purchasing the shaper. The cutters the guy has might be worth his asking price of 300.00. This guy is helping a 87 year old wood worker sell off his equipment and call it quits.

What do you all think?

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#1 posted 01-09-2010 08:14 AM

Theres always hope that the guy oversleeps, be ready to race over with cash in hand LOL

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#2 posted 01-09-2010 08:18 AM

I’d check again tomorrow in case he doesn’t show. How much would you use the shaper?

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#3 posted 01-09-2010 08:20 AM

I’d be all over it…..

You could probably leaarn a thing or two from the old man..

I bet there’s some wood around there too.

Is that a wheel chair in the picture?

-- ALS IK KAN “to the best of my ability,”

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#4 posted 01-09-2010 08:24 AM

I actually have a 3 hp shaper and we use it on a regular basis since we do build our own doors. I do want to own 3 shapers because I can then set up for the style bit, the rail bit and the panel bit and leave them set up until the kitchen job is complete.

I will say that my ultimate goal down the road is to get to the point where we outsource our doors but I still want the tooling enough to build some doors when needed. I am still wrestling with the ‘to build or to outscource doors’ issue within my mind. At this time I am not sure we are busy enough to justify outscourcing so at this time we will build them.

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#5 posted 01-09-2010 08:24 AM

When I’ve sold things on CL (no woodworking items) I found that it is very common that people don’t show up like they say they will. If it isn’t too far, I would also show up at 9am and see if the other guy shows up. That’s just what I would do.

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#6 posted 01-09-2010 08:28 AM

I agree that most do not show up and I am hoping this is the case. I do feel if not this one, there is either a Unisaw or Powermatic in our future sometime. I watch CL a lot and here in San Antonio there seems to be lots of good deals.

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#7 posted 01-09-2010 08:30 AM

I’m a big fan of being set up to productively do everything myself, but I’m in electrical, not wood working.

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#8 posted 01-09-2010 08:43 AM

Topamax, I see you on here so much I was sure you were a woodworker. Well, you should be a woodworker.

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#9 posted 01-09-2010 08:47 AM

Not by trade. Just for fun or making practical items. I intend to do more of it than I have been in the future. Wan to get in to higher grade projects, maybe even try some furniture.

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#10 posted 01-09-2010 11:38 AM

Tears! I bought a 1968 Powematic “66” in prime shape 2 years ago for $750. OK it was pampered in a school shop all it’s life & they say is built in the glory years for the company, American not asia. But that 66 looks pristine! I also bought a 1972 Delta 1 1/2hs shaper last year for $500 & no cutters! I like the old stuff built in the USA. Checkout OWWM to see what the historic wood working machines come back to life have to offer us. Last year I bought a lot of stuff to complete my shop. This year I’m struggling to keep it all & to keep my dream alive. Don’t pay to much attention to Topamax as he is just an electrician! HA! He like me has a lot of experience in the great scheme of our profession as tradesmen. We come to have great respect for our brothers in the trades as we work together towards perfection in building the world, job by job. Besides, He is a wood worker & would be an ICON on an electricians site too. (OK, fine, He is a neighbor as well, mean as hell.) LOL

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#11 posted 01-09-2010 03:11 PM

>>“At this time I am not sure we are busy enough to justify outsourcing so at this time we will build them.”

I think you have it backwards. The more doors you make, the more cost effective it is to make them yourself.

By outsourcing, you save the cost of up to 3 shapers, all the cutters, and all the time involved. No matter how small the job, I’ve always outsourced the doors. Ask yourself how much money are you really making on the doors? Probably not much.

-- Gerry,

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#12 posted 01-09-2010 03:51 PM

Stack the rail and stile cutters on the same spindle. Put the stile cutter on the bottom, spacer and then the rail cutter. Make a sled with extra height to cope the ends and you never have to adjust heights once you set it up. Save money on too many shapers, time on bit switching and floor space.

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#13 posted 01-09-2010 04:38 PM

I think you have a good idea Rhett. I will probably look seriously at that idea. Ger, admittedly I still have not fully decided on the door making stuff. We are a small newly started shop and so I suspect we have a long way to go in figuring a lot of things out. I do love our doors but I also know it would be impossible to rival a door shop in price and quality. Since doors are all door shops do I am sure their doors are flawless and they work very efficiently.

As for the cost or what we make on them, it typically will take us a week or less to do a full set of raised panel doors. I have found prices to range from 12 sf to 17 sf depending on wood and such. Most of my jobs have at least 100 sf of doors and finished sides. My average door job would cost us 1200 to 1700 or so. The wood expense on doors typically will run me 200.00 +/-. That extra 1000.00 could go a long way to paying bills or buying tools or saving. Now if I get to the point where we have 2 or 3 customers in line, I would certainly outscource our doors in order to move the kitchens quicker since I do think we can make better money just making boxes.

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#14 posted 01-13-2010 12:30 AM

Just an update. The powermatic sold as I suspected. Good news though. I have 600.00 more dollars today then I would have had. I did not even go and buy that shaper I thought about because until we actually get our shop built space is a premium in our little shop. Plus I recognize nice table saws and nice shapers are a dime to a dozen on our CL here in San Antonio. If I am really pinched for something at a good price we always can look at CL in Austin, Houston and Dallas.

Today HD had a great sale on their TS among other things. I fought the temptation though it was a great deal for 300.00. I just did not need it and I know these deals do come around fairly regular, though at 50% off that is hardly found.

While at HD I did buy the XRP drill/impact gun combo for 149. Mainly because I have an XRP kit from about 7 years ago and all of my batteries are done. The batteries will run my drill but not my circular saw. So I figured for that price I could sell my XRP gun and another compact gun I have and probably get the batteries and a new XRP gun for cheap.

Have a good night everyone.


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#15 posted 01-13-2010 02:49 AM

I was the on the lucky end of a great deal on craigslist recently… My old contractor delta had died and I was in need of a new saw and on a limited budget. The day after I sold my Jointmaker Pro to fund the saw (I know I know… I’ll kick myself some day… Well aware!) a guy near me listed a year old Jet that retailed for around $750 for $400… Called him and he told me he was selling a JET jointer too… Wanted $300… Gold Series… retail around the same as the saw. Well being a former car salesman I told him I’d take both for $600. He agreed… So I had to make two trips to fit the new goodies in my little Impreza wagon AND ask my wife very nicely to help me lift chunks of cast iron out of the back. He threw in the mobile bases for both, couple of sets of knives for the jointer, and a Woodworker II blade.

Moral of the story… There’s a deal out there waiting. I’ve seen several of the heavy duty saws come up in TX in the past few months on Bookmark it and keep your eye out if you’re in need of real shop equipment. The Powermatics and Unisaws sell for decent prices there typically.

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