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RSetubal

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12-08-2015 12:48 AM

Hello,
I found this plane in Brazil. It’s a Stanley Bailey # 6, modified and damaged.
The frog was restored. It was broken.
I began to restore, but do not know what kind. I found information on type 11 or type 14.
Can anyone help identify the type of this plane?
I have a few photos.
I do not know where to find the damaged parts.
For your attention, thank you.


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benchbuilder

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#1 posted 12-08-2015 11:55 AM

Hi RS, You could start by looking at a site on the net called, Blood and Gore, this is all about hand planes. it should help you type the plane. Also there is a guiy that sells just plane parts, it the nhplaneparts and hes got everything you need at good prices.

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rwe2156

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#2 posted 12-08-2015 12:26 PM

For determining type: hyperkitten.com.

Incomplete or damaged planes the cost of replacement parts may excede the value of the plane.
Lots of people do it for the fun of it. You have to determine that for yourself.
Before proceeding, I would check the sole for flatness to make sure you have a useable plane first.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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RSetubal

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#3 posted 12-08-2015 12:48 PM



Hi RS, You could start by looking at a site on the net called, Blood and Gore, this is all about hand planes. it should help you type the plane. Also there is a guiy that sells just plane parts, it the nhplaneparts and hes got everything you need at good prices.

- benchbuilder

Thanks for the info. I identified the seller on Ebay. Now I will try to find out what kind to buy the correct part.


For determining type: hyperkitten.com.

Incomplete or damaged planes the cost of replacement parts may excede the value of the plane.
Lots of people do it for the fun of it. You have to determine that for yourself.
Before proceeding, I would check the sole for flatness to make sure you have a useable plane first.

- rwe2156

Thanks for the info.
You’re right. Some parts cost more than a plane. The plane is for my use. Only the frog was damaged, but was repaired carefully.
The sole is flat. The mouth is also perfect. I will try to post a photo.
Again, thank you.

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RSetubal

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#4 posted 12-08-2015 01:22 PM

Other pictures:

1) frog – adjustment screw: taken from another plane; the plastic came on the plane
2) tote and knob: build
3) Handle bolt & nut / knob bolt & nut: taken from another plane

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rjpat

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#5 posted 12-08-2015 07:50 PM

I don’t think that you would find that lever cap with that frog, the lever cap is from a much earlier plane.

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hhhopks

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#6 posted 12-08-2015 08:56 PM

Specific plane type would be hard to tell as you can’t zoom in on the photos and your plane has mixture of parts from other planes. Base on the body I cast my vote to be type 15 or 16. I am looking at the “MADE IN USA” casting at the toe area and there are no broad flat ribs at the toe and heel area.

Agree with rjpat.
The lever cap should have “STANLEY” casting on it. The hole should most likely to be kidney and not key hole shape.

I would make sure that the frog’s surface that mates with the blade is flat if the plane is to be a user. Also I would be concern about the surface where the frog bolts/washer sit. That really should be flat. You don’t want the frog to move as you plane. As a user plane, I would replace the frog.

What parts are you looking for? Lots of guys here on LJ can fix you up if you ask as this should be a common plane.

-- I'll be a woodworker when I grow up. HHHOPKS

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#7 posted 12-08-2015 09:31 PM

Ebay seller is under …..nhplaneparts.com

Frog is the later fourth version….about post WWII era It would have the “kidney” shaped hole instead of the Keyhole” shape. IF you can find an earlier frog, and the 2-3/8” wide iron, you might be in business.

Difference in frogs. One like yours, next to one that came before the one you need. You need a slot milled like the frog you have now, but with the flat face.

lever caps. the one with the STANLEY would match the frog you have now.

Back of the frogs.

parts for a #5-1/2 a #6 and the #7 are basically the same for each “type” as they are the same width. Might help your search effort that way. The two planes are a #6c, type 10, and a #5-1/2,type 17.

Any of this help you out?

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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RSetubal

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#8 posted 12-09-2015 12:15 AM



I don t think that you would find that lever cap with that frog, the lever cap is from a much earlier plane.

- rjpat

I also conclude that the frog and the lever cap are of different planes.


Base on the body I cast my vote to be type 15 or 16. I am looking at the “MADE IN USA” casting at the toe area and there are no broad flat ribs at the toe and heel area.

The type 15 and 16, marked “Made in USA” is behind the frog. In my bed is behind the tote.

http://hyperkitten.com/tools/stanley_bench_plane/tl_16.php

http://hyperkitten.com/tools/stanley_bench_plane/tl_15.php


What parts are you looking for? Lots of guys here on LJ can fix you up if you ask as this should be a common plane.

The lever cap is perfect and frog repaired. I’d better replace the frog, if not impair the function? But do not know which one is suitable frog. A frog of the same model works with this lever cap?
Or is it necessary that the lever cap is the same type of frog?


Ebay seller is under …..nhplaneparts.com

bandit571, I made a contact with this seller. I’m awaiting return. But it seems that does not send to Brazil.


You need a slot milled like the frog you have now, but with the flat face.

Then need to change the frog by a flat face?

I conclude to replace the frog broken by a smooth face frog to match the lever cap I already have. It’s the best option?

Thank you all.

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Don W

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#9 posted 12-09-2015 08:11 PM

if you are just trying to find another frog, here is a reference.

The lever cap doesn’t matter unless your trying to be period specific.

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RSetubal

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#10 posted 12-10-2015 01:21 AM



if you are just trying to find another frog, here is a reference.

The lever cap doesn t matter unless your trying to be period specific.

Don W, e image is illuminating.
I do not want to leave the plane according to the period, but want to change the frog broken. If i find a frog in the same period of the the bed will be perfect. And that’s what I need to find out.

Thanks for the comment.

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