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Kristian_S

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12-07-2015 07:28 PM

Topic tags/keywords: 36-725 36-5152 22116 21833 fusion jps-10ts g0751p g0771 tablesaw question

Firstly, I just want to say thanks for all the great information everyone has contributed to the forum, it has been a great help over the last couple of weeks to understand a little more about the table saws on the market. I’ve been doing some light cabinet work with a rip guide and circular saw but want a table saw for the convenience due to renovations I’m starting at home. 1.75-2hp should be sufficient for my purposes (~0.75” stock). I’m looking for consistent accurate cuts with little set up time so I’d like an appropriate fence and well aligned/align-able table saw.

I was originally leaning towards the Grizzly G1023RLX or G0691, however 220V is an issue in my garage. The breaker panel is on the second floor and requires a costly run and I’m not staying here for more than another few years so I’m looking at 110V table saws for now.

I’m currently leaning towards the Grizzly G0771 with an aftermarket fence and mobile base. I can’t really find any negatives with that combination and I haven’t really found any concerning reviews. The majority of people seem happy with the company, despite the occasional quality issue that they’ve made efforts to solve. The Jet is also up there (either the 30” with a fence upgrade or 52” stock fence, both are similar prices in the end) but $200-300 more. So, my question is, am I in the ballpark with my research and heading in the right direction? I’d be happy to hear your thoughts.

I did really like the SawStop (especially their cabinet saw for ~$3000, the fence and overall quality seemed impressive), however the closest saw of theirs in my price range is their contractors saw for $1900 (upgraded SawStop 52” fence not the aluminum one) which is more than I want to spend.

I’ve been looking at the following saws:

Delta 36-725 $600
- Fence locks down inconsistently (seen on two saws at different Lowe’s stores)
- Stamped wings
- Smaller rip capacity
- Possible parts availability issues with hit or miss customer service

Delta 36-5152 $1199
- Possible parts availability issues with hit or miss customer service
- Cast iron wings
- Fence looks to be of the same quality as the 36-725?
+ Large rip capacity + There don’t seem to be any alignment issues or complaints about this saw

Craftsman 22116 / 21833
- Alignment issue (21833)
- I don’t like the sound of their customer service
- Smaller rip capacity

Laguna Tools Fusion $1300
- Customer service seems hit or miss
- Two piece aluminum rail
- Smaller rip capacity
+ Fence seems more consistent than the Delta
+ Cast iron wings

Jet JPS-10TS (52”) $1500
- Table mounted trunnions?
- Ok, not an issue, but the cream color could be a little manlier…
+ Fence locks down consistently parallel (tried at Rockler)
+ Cast iron wings
+ Large rip capacity
+ 5 year warranty

Grizzly G0715P
- Alignment issues that may or may not have been fixed (I don’t want to risk it)
- 1 year warranty
- Small rip capacity
+ Seems to have quality customer service
+ Fence seems to be of sufficient quality for my needs? I haven’t seen one in person though.

Grizzly G0771 $675
- Fence looks to be of lesser quality than the G1023/G0691 but I’ve read reports it locks down parallel. I’m going to assume I’ll have to retrofit a 50”+ Biesmeyer/Vega/… which I assume is possible
- 1 year warranty
+ When/if I upgrade I’ll have a good aftermarket fence to put on the next saw and large rip capacity
+ There don’t seem to be any alignment issues or complaints about this saw
+ Cast iron wings
+ Seems to have quality customer service

Kristian


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Fred Hargis

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#1 posted 12-07-2015 07:53 PM

You can get the Sawstop 1 3/4 HP PCS with a 36” T Glide fence for about $2300 (at least that’s what the SS site says). That would be from a brick and mortar in your area. I think the internet prices are higher by roughly the cost of shipping….so if you have a dealer in your area you might check them out. But let me add: if you decide later you need a 3HP saw, you just buy a motor from Sawstop and put it in. For whatever reason their parts prices are a little more reasonable than you might expect…I know on the ICS getting the 5 HP motor on the saw raises the price by $400, but if you bought a 3 HP ICS, then buy the 5 Hp motor by itself from SS it’s $300 (plus freight). I wish you luck with your decision.

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#2 posted 12-07-2015 08:23 PM

Used powermatic or unisaw an option?

For 1000$ you can usually get a great saw even in a bad market if you’re willing to wait.

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#3 posted 12-07-2015 08:29 PM

I said in another thread that these questions pop up about once a week (and to use the search function to wade through the hundreds of them already out there)... I guess this week is a little busier than usual :)

Cheers,
Brad

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#4 posted 12-07-2015 08:31 PM

Assuming GO771 has had the pulley issues resolved I think it’s the best value of all the options listed. The one I had was quite precise and the fence was actually pretty good. Worked very well for the time I had it. Mine ended up with the loose pulley issue and I ended up just returning it and goi g with the G1023. Also a great value in its class.

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#5 posted 12-07-2015 09:49 PM

You’ve done some good leg work.

A few random thoughts:

- AFAIK, the Jet Proshop has cabinet mounted trunnions, and very similar guts to the Fusion and nearly identical Baileigh hybrid….IMO the fence on the Proshop is better than the Fusion/Baleigh’s.

- most of the single piece fence rails are pretty easy to slide to the right for more rip capacity gains close to 10”

- the 22116 is a completely different saw than the 21833….I think you knew, but couldn’t be sure. Granite top, cabinet mounted trunnions, good fence, made by Steel City/Orion who is now out of business.

- the G0771 looks to be a lot of saw for the money. The 36-725 is a good bang for the buck too. If you’re not sure where your shop will be in two years, it might make sense to stay closer to the low end of your budget. With a good blade and proper setup, these should do a heck of a job.

- If you end up looking more to the higher end of your budget, the G1023RL is far more substantial than any of the hybrids, and likely worth adding 220v for. Great value in a big league saw.

- Used is always a viable option if the right deal comes along, but it’s a big “if”.

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#6 posted 12-08-2015 02:20 AM

Fred, I’m not sure if it is correct that all you have to do with the Sawstop is change the motor. I have the 1.75 HP, which I might add that I am happy with, but I am pretty sure they said you can’t change it to a 3 hp. It would be worth a call to their customer service to get that answered.
Mike

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Kristian_S

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#7 posted 12-08-2015 06:34 AM

Thanks for your replies, I appreciate it!

@Frank – while I do like the idea of sawstop it’s just out of my budget right now. They seem like a good product (the cabinet saw) even without factoring their SawStop tech in.

@TheFridge – I think the saws you’re recommending are 220V which isn’t convenient for me right now. I would definitely consider an older used saw in the future.

@Adrock1 – I remember reading about that, I’m going to speak to them to make sure that issue is resolved. At least there seems to be an easy fix for it unlike the 715P alignment issues. I envy your 1023. If I had 220V it was at the top of my list with the 691. I was having difficulty choosing between those two at that point, they both seem like a solid product.

@knotscott – you’re right about my thoughts on the Sears saws. I wasn’t sure if the 22116 was plagued with any problems, but the fact that it was sold by Sears and Steel City is out of business concerned me. Customer service, parts etc. Thanks for the blade link, I’m looking forward to reading it. I had been hearing quite abit about the WW2 but it will be good to know some more about blade selection. The only things I didn’t like about the 36-725 were the stamped wings and fence which could be locked in a degree or two either side of parallel to the miter slot. If I got it I’d definitely have to upgrade the fence, whereas the G0771 may work for me and has cast wings. Even though it may be a little more it’d be nice to support a company that seems to make consistent efforts to support their customers.

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#8 posted 12-08-2015 06:41 AM

Another quick question – there isn’t anything that would prevent me from putting a Biesemeyer 52” fence on the G0771 is there? I assume it would either bolt right on or require a hole or two being drilled in the side of the table or fence rail.

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#9 posted 12-08-2015 08:20 AM

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#10 posted 12-08-2015 11:18 AM

This one right here.
Fridge is right.
See this.
Freakin steal: https://charlotte.craigslist.org/tls/5330937502.html


Used powermatic or unisaw an option?

For 1000$ you can usually get a great saw even in a bad market if you re willing to wait.

- TheFridge

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#11 posted 12-08-2015 01:27 PM

I have the Delta 36-725 and am happy with it. I couldn’t put the money into any of the $1000 tier saws. At the time I bought, the Grizzly 0771 was just out and there was some bad part being replaced…I’m sure that’s past now.

As to the fence issue you’ve seen, I’ve not noticed it on mine. I have noticed the display models in stores are just slapped together and often not even correctly.

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Kristian_S

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#12 posted 12-08-2015 06:24 PM

@Karamba: thanks for the link, good to know it isn’t an issue. He spoke about blade runout of 0.004” (I think) and there was a runout “issue” while raising and lowering the blade (can’t remember the number offhand) – it reversed sides when going from raising to lowering. He seemed to think it may be due to the arbor bearing recall. It didn’t sound like a big issue.

@hotbyte: that’s interesting your fence isn’t affected. If I brought the fence into place from the right the tip would be pointing to the right. Coming to the same position from the left had the tip pointing to the left. The difference was around 3/32. It seemed to lock down solidly, I wonder if the issue on the demos is due to poor setup or a quality issue.

EDIT: if anyone is curious, in the review video posted by Karamba the owner noticed that the fence wasn’t perpendicular to the face of the table. He could apparently adjust the front end to be close to square but the back end remained out of square..

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#13 posted 12-08-2015 06:51 PM

I have the 36-725 and I love it. It was true right out of the box, fence operation is smooth and locks down parallel to the blade.
The stamped wings aren’t a big issue with me, the only important part that needs to be flat and true is the center section which is Cast Iron.

Floor models are seldom a good way to judge a tool. They’re usually just slapped together, and a bazillion people touch and mess with the fence.

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Fred Hargis

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#14 posted 12-08-2015 07:21 PM


Fred, I m not sure if it is correct that all you have to do with the Sawstop is change the motor. I have the 1.75 HP, which I might add that I am happy with, but I am pretty sure they said you can t change it to a 3 hp. It would be worth a call to their customer service to get that answered.
Mike

- GT350

Mike, I have called Sawstop…twice (over the last 18 months), about this. I asked about putting a single phase motor on a 3 phase saw, as well as the 1.75 to 3 HP conversion. In both cases I was told the same thing..you need a motor. In the case of the 3 phase to single phase, you also need a replacement contactor. That’s also true of the 1.75 to 3 HP conversion, since the 1.75 HP contactor is 120V, and you need a 240V. Don’t know what the PCS contactor costs, but the one for the ICS (3 phase to single phase) it was $100. When you buy this stuff, they give you a new label for the cabinet that identifies the change. I was looking at used saws in both cases and considering this stuff.

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#15 posted 12-09-2015 01:39 AM

Fred, thanks for clearing that up.
Mike

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