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12-02-2015 03:38 PM

Topic tags/keywords: food contact beer wood finish

Hi! New guy here, so please be gentle. I know this has probably been asked a billion times, so what’s one more. I was at my local hardwood lumber place and I picked out a nice piece of snakewood to use to turn some beer mugs with. I told the counter person and he said snakewood was highly toxic and would not be good to use for a mug intended for use. Even though I explained that I was going to seal the inside with epoxy and the outside with salad bowl finish, he still said he wouldn’t recommend it. When I got home with the piece of white oak I bought instead, I started researching. I found lots of woods are toxic. I found a lot of woods are somewhat toxic. I’ve seen the chart with toxicity levels. But the I see cutting boards, salad bowls, spoons and such made from these woods. I never found a snakewood beer mug. So what’s the real deal? Epoxy inside (yes I’ve read a lot about that too) and a few coats of Salad bowl finish outside, safe or no safe? Or how about laminating a liner of a less toxic wood like maple inside ?
Thanks, Ted

-- -There is only two distinct types of matter in the universe. That which is tacos, and that which is not tacos.


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Lazyman

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#1 posted 12-02-2015 04:18 PM

If the wood is considered toxic I wouldn’t make a beer mug out of it. Not sure that a salad bowl finish would work that well for a wooden beer mug. They are usually a non-drying oil that has to be replenished periodically depending upon how often they are used. Frequent use and washing will require the finish to be reapplied often. Also, remember that alcohol is solvent so it will dissolve and leach compounds from woods and finishes. Even if it is not toxic, it will taint the taste of the beer. Food or pharmacy grade mineral oil and beeswax might be doable but only time will tell. One thing I read said that polyuerthane is safe once completely cured but personally, I still wouldn’t use it. I suppose you could use beech wood with no finish and only drink Budweiser? At least that won’t make the beer taste any worse than it already does.

You didn’t mention how you were going to construct the mug. If there is glue involved in construction, that could also be an issue.

Ha. Maybe you should buy a beer mug and make coasters. Another idea you’ll see are beer totes. I frankly don’t understand why you want to tote your beer around with you but a lot of people seem to make beer totes.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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#2 posted 12-02-2015 04:31 PM

How about a stainless steel inner cup to hold the beer? This would definitely be safe for any liquid in the mug. TightBond 3 is supposed to be water proof, but I would only dip the mug is soapy water and rinse not soak it and definitely no dish washer.

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#3 posted 12-02-2015 05:01 PM

I’m coopering vertical staves and gluing them together with wood glue. This guy makes them of maple. https://drunkenwoodworker.com/tutorials/beer-alcohol-projects Which according to to the wood toxicity chart is worse than snakewood. And still I have the question of cutting boards. I see them all over this site and others made from exotic woods that rank high on the toxicity chart. With a cutting board, you cut thru the finish and expose the bare wood. I’m not worried about the glue or the inside finish. The inside epoxy is fine. I suppose I can just stick to maple, oak and walnut and cherry. But, like I said, maple is toxic.

-- -There is only two distinct types of matter in the universe. That which is tacos, and that which is not tacos.

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#4 posted 12-02-2015 05:03 PM

And I own and know people who own similar mugs bought from local renaissance faires. Yes, hand wash and no dishwasher. Cold liquid only.

-- -There is only two distinct types of matter in the universe. That which is tacos, and that which is not tacos.

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#5 posted 12-02-2015 05:05 PM

-- -There is only two distinct types of matter in the universe. That which is tacos, and that which is not tacos.

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#6 posted 12-02-2015 05:22 PM

So i’ve had the same questions as i’m making custom Salad Bowls for Xmas gifts. what it comes out to is what you are comfortable with.
In my case i’ve talked to alot of craft fair people who make them for a living. and decided to use what they use for coatings.
In my case Watco and Shellac. I’ve also talked to a few people who use food safe epoxy to coat objects that need to be water proof, i’m going to try this on my upcoming oatmeal/ soup bowls.

as a side note, any how to’s on making mugs like that? i think that’s a cool idea. good luck
-Chris

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#7 posted 12-02-2015 05:33 PM

I think you’re reading the toxicity wrong. Most of the lists show allergies and toxicity together, so maple and snakewood are listed for allergic sensitivity, not toxicity. Only spalted maple is listed as more serious. Very few woods are shown as an actual direct toxin. I’m not sure why the person would have told you snakewood is so toxic, since it’s not shown that way on any of the charts. It’s possible they have another wood that is being sold as snakewood but is more toxic. Or the guy was just mistaken.


And still I have the question of cutting boards. I see them all over this site and others made from exotic woods that rank high on the toxicity chart. With a cutting board, you cut thru the finish and expose the bare wood.
- deadhead4114

Since most are not actually toxic, just potentially causing allergies, it’s probably not a problem unless someone already had an allergy to it. Even if it were a wood that was a toxin, a cutting board would have to have a chip come out of it into the food to get much of the toxin. And the wood is probably not toxic enough to cause a problem in small quantities. There’s definitely a chance for causing a problem, but it’s probably pretty small. Smaller than the chance of getting in a car accident for example. But this is just from a random guy on the internet so don’t take my word for it.

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#8 posted 12-02-2015 05:42 PM



......But this is just from a random guy on the internet so don t take my word for it.

- Tim


I’m gonna have to start using that quote!!!!!

-- You can tell a lot about your wife by her hands, for example if they are around your throat she's prolly pissed off at you...

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#9 posted 12-02-2015 05:57 PM

-- -There is only two distinct types of matter in the universe. That which is tacos, and that which is not tacos.

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#10 posted 12-02-2015 06:02 PM

All: Thanks.
Chris: This is a good place to start. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XyvMZpcYK7w
-Ted

-- -There is only two distinct types of matter in the universe. That which is tacos, and that which is not tacos.

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#11 posted 12-02-2015 06:13 PM

All: Thanks.
Chris: This is a good place to start. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XyvMZpcYK7w
-Ted

-- -There is only two distinct types of matter in the universe. That which is tacos, and that which is not tacos.

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XquietflyX

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#12 posted 12-02-2015 06:14 PM

thanks, i’ll check out that video!!!!

-- You can tell a lot about your wife by her hands, for example if they are around your throat she's prolly pissed off at you...

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#13 posted 12-02-2015 06:16 PM

When I was working in northern Argentina I had a friend who made his lathe and turned mugs and glasses out of algorrobo and palo santo. He turned the inside the same size as a beer or coke can, cut the top out of the can and glued it inside. These were beautiful and he gave me a set of eight, which I still have and use.

Have a good’un

Joe

-- rejo55, East Texas

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XquietflyX

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#14 posted 12-02-2015 06:21 PM



When I was working in northern Argentina I had a friend who made his lathe and turned mugs and glasses out of algorrobo and palo santo. He turned the inside the same size as a beer or coke can, cut the top out of the can and glued it inside. These were beautiful and he gave me a set of eight, which I still have and use.

Have a good un

Joe

- rejo55

That’s a brilliant idea, epoxying an aluminum can to the inside of the mug….

-- You can tell a lot about your wife by her hands, for example if they are around your throat she's prolly pissed off at you...

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#15 posted 12-02-2015 06:22 PM

IF you haven’t seen this, it worth the read.

-- You can tell a lot about your wife by her hands, for example if they are around your throat she's prolly pissed off at you...

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