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DBordello

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12-01-2015 10:07 AM

I do small projects, and have been making due with a cordless drill. However, I have a project that really requires a drill press, so time to bite the bullet.

My first thought was to get a cheapo (<$100) bench top model. However, the general advice seems to be to buy a more expensive model.

Therefore, I am thinking about two floor standing models:

General International ($200): http://www.homedepot.com/p/General-International-5-Amp-13-in-16-Speed-Floor-Standing-Drill-Press-with-Laser-and-LED-Light-DP2003/206347740?cm_mmc=Shopping%7cTHD%7cG%7c0%7cG-BASE-PLA%7c&gclid=CjwKEAiAp_WyBRD37bGB_ZO9qAYSJAA72IkgBAVJ9I8jVhTibgWkdN1l4QfmMzDwOjaUhTKr0i79gRoCtlrw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

Porter-Cable ($320): http://www.lowes.com/pd_78742-46069-PCB660DP_1z0wclt__?productId=3162489&pl=1#img

The PC seems favored in various reviews. On the other hand, there is no information on the General International online.

The price point on the General is great, and can induce a justified leap over the benchtop models.

Thoughts?


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Tedstor

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#1 posted 12-01-2015 11:19 AM

The General is probably more than adequate for your needs.
However, the PC is the better machine (on paper)
The PC has an 8 amp motor (gen has 5 amp)
The PC has a nicer table
The PC has 7/8” greater spindle travel (4” total)
The PC has a gooseneck lamp
The General does have more speeds…....but I find 16 speeds vs 12 speeds to be negligible.

I wouldn’t be afraid to try out the General if it fits your budget better. But if you can swing the extra $100, the PC offers $100 worth of extra features.

Oh….and good on you for looking past the benchtop models in favor of a floor standing model. While a benchtop makes sense in ‘some’ shops…..the floor standing model is usually the better long term play for most of us.

A couple of reviews on the General at Sears: http://www.sears.com/general-international-13inch-16-speed-5a-floor-mount/p-00905034000P?prdNo=12&blockNo=12&blockType=G12

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Tennessee

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#2 posted 12-01-2015 12:40 PM

I own the PC, and the only thing I found to be essentially worthless for me is the laser. I just could not get it to be reliable for me. Like one reviewer said, when you tighten it, it moves. Yes, they do…

Otherwise, the PC lamp is great, the table is generous, the unit is stable and 12 speeds is way more than enough.
The throw is long, the quill is very stable. I like the chuck, and it is very easy to work with, even after almost two years of use in my wood shop. I drill bridge holes in my guitars with my PC, and they have to be within a couple thousandths of an inch. This press delivers.
My big thing is a larger table, and the PC again delivers. I personally hate those little round tables, but that is just me.

I don’t know if the General is good or bad. The two reviews are not much, but since it is about half of what HF wants for their 17” unit that looks a lot like it, I’d think the General would be a much better choice. I could not find any more reviews, so this might be a new model for them.
That guard around the chuck would be the first thing I would take off.

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Holbs

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#3 posted 12-02-2015 01:16 AM

I have a 10” Delta drill press, benchtop on a roll around cabinet. Have not needed to search for a floor model. What benefits does a floor model have? I would imagine a floor model is more important in metal machining than wood working.

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#4 posted 12-02-2015 01:41 AM

I bought the PC a few years ago mostly for cutting mortises but ended up using it almost weekly for stuff around the house. I know I wouldn’t want to give up any of its travel or extra power even for the lower cost.

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#5 posted 12-02-2015 02:02 AM

I had a 10” bench for years, never really quite found a solid NEED for MUST HAVE floor model DP.

One day walking through Lowes, noticed a Hitachi B16RM floor model DP on clearance for $175 found tool manager offered $150 and he said yes…. Sold the bench top for $50 on CL and I have a Floor model DP and I think I have once put holes into the end of a 24” leg and liked having the floor model plus I got some bench space back.

I tell the tale because you’ll be very satisfied having ANY DP over handheld and depending on your current tools the extra $$$ could be good to have more tools or wood budget.

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#6 posted 12-02-2015 02:45 AM

As soon as I can get “Stick in the Mud”, to cut loose with the check book I’m getting that PC drill. Sadly, “Stick in the Mud”, can squeeze a penny so tight it’ll make Lincoln shout. You ought to see what she does when I bring some beer home.

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#7 posted 12-02-2015 03:21 AM



As soon as I can get “Stick in the Mud”, to cut loose with the check book I m getting that PC drill. Sadly, “Stick in the Mud”, can squeeze a penny so tight it ll make Lincoln shout. You ought to see what she does when I bring some beer home.

- BurlyBob

ROFL

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TheFridge

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#8 posted 12-02-2015 03:37 AM

I have a porter cable with a cross slide vise that never comes off. Well worth the investment. You’ll probably never use but the 2 highest and lowest speeds. Laser works perfect for me. Wouldn’t use a big vise on a 10”. They’re kinda flimsy.

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Tedstor

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#9 posted 12-02-2015 03:43 AM



I have a 10” Delta drill press, benchtop on a roll around cabinet. Have not needed to search for a floor model. What benefits does a floor model have? I would imagine a floor model is more important in metal machining than wood working.

- Holbs

Floor models often (but not always) have bigger motors, greater clearance between the chuck and the pole, and longer spindle travel. They also usually have bigger tables too.
You can also work on longer work pieces, like drilling a bolt hole into the end grain of a long board.
Yeah, I know this is doable too on a benchtop too if you swing the head over the edge of the bench…...but you dont have to add that extra step with a floor model.
I’m not knocking a benchtop DP…..I had an old school, industrial quality Delta benchtop for a few years that treated me well. But I like my floor model Grizzly better.

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bandit571

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#10 posted 12-02-2015 03:51 AM

For what the shop I have does, I only needed a benchtop. Spent a whopping $70 on a 5 speed from Harbor Freight. 1/2” jacobs chuck. I found a small vise I could add to it at a yard sale this year.

BTW: they are having a big sale at H-F this week…..there is a 12 speed version of mine….$169 + tax. They do have a few floor models and all the extras for it. Usually less the $200….

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MrUnix

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#11 posted 12-02-2015 04:02 AM

My first thought was to get a cheapo (<$100) bench top model. However, the general advice seems to be to buy a more expensive model.

That is pretty typical – lots of folks are great at spending other peoples money :)

It really depends on what you need it for and how you plan on using it. For many people, a drill press mount for a dremel tool works just fine, others are just fine with a benchtop, and others need the capacity of a floor standing model. I have a little belt driven 12” benchtop with a 1hp motor and have never felt the need for anything bigger. My BIL has an older Delta floor standing monster that he uses for auto work type stuff mainly with metal that he is happy with (although I’ve never seen him use it for anything that I couldn’t do on my benchtop!). Also, if you are not opposed to used, they show up all the time pretty cheap as well, so your <$100 budget could get you a lot more than just a ‘cheapo’ model… that Delta my BIL has was found on CL for $125 in perfect shape :)

Cheers,
Brad

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xmastree

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#12 posted 12-02-2015 06:22 AM

When I first saw the PC in a store, I gotta say I was amazed – it’s a lot of drill for the money.
I got a Rikon radial bench top press, I like the versatility, but only for woodwork. For metal work with a drill press, bigger and heavier is a must.
I think you’re on the right track.

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Tennessee

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#13 posted 12-02-2015 12:55 PM

xmastree: I remember when I first saw that PC drill. I was still a sales manager for a mechanical contractor and was down in North Georgia. Stopped in at a Lowe’s to use the men’s room, had a little time and walked the tool area. There it was…it IS a lot of drill for the money. And I do like the bench space I freed up. Allowed me to put my grinders back in operation I use for polishing metal items.

Within a week I had my PC and sold off my old benchtop. Never looked back.

And BurlyBob I am sure you are joking, but I remember also having a “stick in the mud”. I decided to jump and find out why divorce is so expensive….....Because it’s worth it!! (Just had to use that joke…)

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#14 posted 12-02-2015 02:46 PM

I put up with my old 8” Delta DP for OVER 20+ years. FINALLY, I sprang for the 20” Grizzly DP when a Grizzly 10%-OFF coupon showed up in the mail a couple of years ago.

WOW! Why did I ever wait so long?!...

Buy as BIG as you can,... ALWAYS! You will never regret it in the long run. A large floor model is SO MUCH EASIER to use, and to use more precisely. 8-)

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#15 posted 12-02-2015 03:44 PM

Have you looked for anything used? I got an older (1950s) Delta floor model for $40. The retirement lamp that came with it is worth that alone. A floor model means you can put a bigger table and back fence on it when you want to to repeatable stuff.

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