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12-31-2009 06:29 AM

Topic tags/keywords: sketchup jewerly case help

This is my 1st time with sketch up I have abou 20 hours into research and designing this thing and I am not done. take a look, I guess there is more ways then I came up with to do this thing but I tryed. If you see stuiff wrong or have better advice please let me know. This is a jewerly box for my daughter with 6 drawes and a door on each side for her neckless. It is not done I plan on getting it all designed on sketchup before starting.

http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=edcb234c62f454eef8ce85bb8aca1ab7


I guess this is how you put it in.

Jim


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#1 posted 12-31-2009 07:57 AM

Nice job actually. You need to be more consistant creating components and I suggest being more informative in the naming and discriptions. Some parts are groups and some are components. Look forward to the finished model. Nice looking design also.

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#2 posted 12-31-2009 06:09 PM

Dave did you miss this post?

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#3 posted 12-31-2009 06:58 PM

Dave the only reason I can see for using groups is for momentary or sporadic usage to manipulate objects you intend to delete or group a set of components that you don’t wish to go through the naming/describing process to perhaps import or export to other files…I’m really just trying to think of a reason. Components are already hotkeyed by default so its easier to make them.

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#4 posted 12-31-2009 07:29 PM

going back to the basics…

a group is basically a component where changes to a duplicated copy does NOT infer the same changes in the original group.

in other words – if you duplicate a component, and do changes to the copy you’ve made – the changes will also be applied to the original component. with a group, each copy is a stand alone, “unique” version.

theres a time and place for both. but based on what I wrote I tend to use components when I’m making building blocks = cabinet back, drawer front, door…etc. but use groups when I have similar parts that needs to stay slightly different such as in my (latest project) router table – where all the drawers are using same components (drawer front, drawer cub) but each drawer is a separate group and is different than other drawers in it’s height.

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#5 posted 12-31-2009 07:37 PM

Well I’m stumped then…grouping options were probably created prior to component creation options in the development of the program… SUs vestigial tail, as it were.

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#6 posted 12-31-2009 07:39 PM

true, you can ‘make unique’ but thats an extra step – multiply that by number of drawers/parts cuplicated, and it becomes a hassle.

but as you said – to each their own. do whatever works best for you. after all- it’s for SKETCHING. definitely not something that will shatter the world (in it’s current 7.x version at least…lol)

happy new year.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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#7 posted 12-31-2009 11:29 PM

Thanks for the info Dave , The reason why I used Group and not use component is because I was told for a rule of thumb if you are not going to make copies you should group. Also you can not push pull a componet after you make it, for example the way I did it was made the bottom then made it a component then I did all the front stuff when I got to doing the dados in the bottom peice I was not able to because it was a component,so I deleted bottom and made a new one as a group and I was able to do dado, Ihope that makes sence. About the Make Unique command so when I did the drawers I did them all seperate I used guides and the front peice with the curve to get the spacing then used the draw tool and draw the drawes seperate from each other because they are all diferant on the sides it was the only way I could figuer it out. I found that t be the harest part of the whole thing I am sure there is easyer way to do it. about the top and the case I have been meesing with the bottom to put a edge on it it must of messed something up. but the bottom and the top are ment to overhang the case by 1/2 inch.

I am still messing with it I really want to get it right before I start I think ssketchup is a great program and I really want to be able to design on it and take to shop and build.

I also have ?,s about cut list I finily gat it to work But I cant print the page with the boards the print botton is there but it is not working I can pint the full list though. Is that ment to be that way. also is there a way to get the program to use multiple withs of wood to minimize the waste. or does it only let you use 4” 6” 8” 18’and 12” buy there self.

thank you all

Jim

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#8 posted 01-01-2010 05:38 PM

Where do you go to do the cut list? I have never seen that option before. Is is in the free version or pro?

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#9 posted 01-01-2010 06:01 PM

Navtrtl, Go to this thread.

http://lumberjocks.com/daltxguy/blog/5143

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#10 posted 01-01-2010 06:05 PM

Jim, you can push pull components … the same way you can push pull groups.

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#11 posted 01-01-2010 06:43 PM

Thanks Dan. That helped a lot. Now I have some experimenting to do.

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#12 posted 01-01-2010 07:03 PM

Cutlist currently will only run with one width and length of lumber and sheet size selected however you can deselect certain components and re-run the list for those. It’s a little inconvenient in the current version but it does work.

The webpage output won’t create more than one page so the number of parts is limited in that format. \If you select SVG it will create an SVG file but you’ll need an SVG reader to open and print it. I use Inkscape.

I suggest posting any more questions about cutlist in the cutlist thread just to keep things orderly. :)

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#13 posted 01-01-2010 07:36 PM

I didnt know there was a cutlist thread .

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#14 posted 01-03-2010 04:17 PM

Jim,
The best advice I can give you is this:
If DaveR tells you something about SketchUp, take it as absolute.
I have never seen a better practitioner or teacher on the subject, bar none.
d

-- Will trade wife's yarn for tools.

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#15 posted 01-07-2010 03:16 AM

For information, questions, etc about the Cutlist plugin post under the forum @ http://lumberjocks.com/topics/9435

Thanks for answering some of the questions here Dan.

As an FYI, since I’ve explored the internals of Sketchup especially as Cutlist depends so much on the internal representation of the model, it would appear to me that Sketchup might have started with groups, then extended those ideas into components. Groups and Components share many of the same internals but components have a richer set of support functions and is more efficient internally ( the internal relationships are better linked).

This might not mean anything to most people but bottom line is that it looks like components evolved out of groups and more effort is being put in to the usefulness of components now than groups. I suspect groups have been abandoned in the development and remain only for backwards compatibility. It’s the bane of public software. Once you’ve started down the wrong track, it’s hard to get rid of it because so many people started using it and now depend on its existence, even though everything could be done with components.

Just my 2c worth on groups vs components.

Dave keeps demonstrating the power of components in his tutorials. I have found little reason (actually no reason whatsoever) to use groups at all.

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