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bill1352

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12-26-2009 03:59 PM

I have been trying to get a good CA finish on pens. But ever time the CA goes white at 1 end or the other. I use 400 then 600 and finally a Behlin Finish rub to get most of it out but more times then not I end up going back to 180 grit to get all of it out. I dont use accelerater, maybe I should. I do let it sit for 5 to 10 minutes before doing anything. I’m using a medium CA the turning pro at Woodcraft recommended. The white shows up the moment I hit it with 600 grit to finish smooth it also as he recommended. I am careful not to hit the bushings because it is always shows up at the end not the middle. I think I’m going to get some Acetone today & wipe the bushings before I smooth the barrel because I had the idea I was pulling it into the wood from the bushing. Any tips or ideas on what I’m doing wrong?

-- Keep Your Stick On The Ice


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#1 posted 12-26-2009 06:35 PM

Here’s a video that shows the technique of using CA as a finish.

http://www.penturners.org/forum/showthread.php?t=319

There are several videos out there that use this process. I hope this helps. In my case I sand the blank to 600 grit and then I apply the BLO/CA finish. If I feel I need to go further I will use micro mesh but if you do it correctly you won’t need the micro-mesh. It is a tricky technique but with practice it should work out for you. Good luck Bill!

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#2 posted 12-26-2009 06:46 PM

Here’s how I do it: After turning the stock, I clean it with denatured alcohol. I use a small section of paper towel folded and apply a puddle of medium CA glue. Use a thick line of glue, not a circle. I start in the middle and go left and then all the way to the right. Stop. Just walk a way! Let it dry for about a minute. Then repeat the process again. After the second coat dries, fully, I sand with 320 to smooth it out. After each sanding I clean it with the alcohol again. You can use a stronger grit, but I don’t go lower than 150. After it’s smooth, repeat the coating process again. I will generally put about 8 to9 coats on sanding smooth between every two coats. Before I sand though, I will loosen the knurl nut and break the bushing free. Re-tighten the the nut and you’re ready to go. After all the coats have been applied, I sand as normal for acrylic all the way to 12000. I have been able to polish my pens like acrylic. I don’t use an accelerator. I put a couple pics in for you to see. Sorry about the photo quality. Hope this helps.

 CA pen

CA Pen

-- Rick

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#3 posted 12-26-2009 10:57 PM

Thanks guys. After about 15 trys I figured I’d ask advice. I do use the micro mesh to finish it but it doesn’t remove the white crust of CA near the ends. I will use your ideas.

-- Keep Your Stick On The Ice

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#4 posted 12-26-2009 11:14 PM

I have tried the method shown in the video that Coastie posted, and it has never worked for me using that method.

The method I use, which I honestly haven’t had a fault in since I started using it is as follows

I sand the blank to about 600 grit, i don’t think there is a point of going past this, if you want it shinier you can buff out the blank after the CA has cured.
For the finish, i crank my lathe all the way up to it’s fastest setting.
I use a blue shop paper towel, folded up to about the width of my finger. I put about 2-3 drops of BLO on the towel, and spread that thoroughly over the blank.
In the same spot on the towel, I now put 2-3 drops of CA glue (I use medium) and rub that fairly fast back and forth over the blank for about 10-15 seconds. I don’t put a lot of pressure on it.
I repeat these steps for each subsequent coat using a clean spot on the towel for each application.
If you press to hard, you will burn the CA and you will have to sand it down, and re-apply.

If you have any questions send me a PM and i’ll see if I can answer.

-- San Diego, CA

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#5 posted 12-26-2009 11:52 PM

Interpim is correct. There used to be a video that was put out by someone from Scotland that uses BLO/CA. I couldn’t find it on line but that’s the one I used.

-- www.thepatriotwoodworker.com Proud Supporter of Homes For Our Troops

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#6 posted 12-27-2009 12:05 AM

Hey Bill I found the video! The guy is from Canada not from Scotland, Sorry Scots!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orcgOf4siqc

This is the process that Interpim uses I believe. I hope this helps!

-- www.thepatriotwoodworker.com Proud Supporter of Homes For Our Troops

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#7 posted 12-27-2009 12:24 AM

This is the video that helped me the most. It was made by William Young. I think there nearly as many ways to apply CA finishes as there are people trying to apply it. I think a lot of it depends on where you live and the weather you are having at the time. I know after you get it you will think why didn’t I do that the first time. The most important thing is practice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orcgOf4siqc&feature=channel_page

-- Ray , Florence Alabama

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#8 posted 12-27-2009 04:22 AM

I should have asked for help sooner…lol I used the same tube about 15 times cutting the wood off with each screw up. I do thank all of you for your suggestions. I will try the BLO tomorrow. The guy at woodcraft suggested to apply the CA with the lathe off and to hand spin it but he never said anything about using BLO.
Thanks again.

-- Keep Your Stick On The Ice

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#9 posted 12-27-2009 04:34 AM

ok, watched the video and now I’m pissed…lol. put a coat on, wait a few minutes, sand, repeat 3 or 4 times, cuse a bit, cut off the wood and start again. this guy puts on the finish i want in less time then 1 coat…lol.
Thanks again folks.

-- Keep Your Stick On The Ice

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#10 posted 12-27-2009 05:19 AM

The video Coastie posted is really similar to my method… i find that wrapping the towel around like that is asking for something to go wrong… I just move on to the next coat.

As far as applying it without BLO I tried that once, and i was left with a bunch of ridges and a nasty looking blank I had to sand down.

-- San Diego, CA

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#11 posted 12-27-2009 09:32 PM

I thank you guys, it worked fine. I did have trouble with the first try. White on the ends again so I waxed the bushings before starting the finish and problem solved. I also tryed that wet sanding with CA on a Bacote barrel, worked great. Thanks again.

-- Keep Your Stick On The Ice

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