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Forum topic by Ben Winchester posted 11-12-2015 02:43 PM 1311 views 0 times favorited 26 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Ben Winchester

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11-12-2015 02:43 PM

Hi all,

Im finally ready to upgrade my table my benchtop saw. I can only take so many years of leaning over the blade, measuring front to back to get the chintzy fence square. It’s time to graduate.

I’m not a full time woodworker, simply a hobbyist, but I’m also remodeling my house so a table saw is important to me. What that means is, I dont need a Powermatic but I’m ready to move up from the one I have now.

I’ve done quite a bit of research, and I’ve decided whats important to me:

-Good sturdy fence that stays square and doesnt move when you lock it down
-Decent amount of rip capacity
-Plenty of table space before and after the blade
-hefty motor with good arbor

With all that in mind, my findings have lead me to Grizzly’s hybrid saw, the G0715P. It looks like it will more than serve my hobbyist needs at a price I’m happy to pay.

My question is, are there any better options? The G0715P’s features and price point are right where I want to be, so are there any other saws that meet that criteria?

Also, when it comes to general shop tools, I watch plenty of videos and I see a lot of people using Rigid power tools, and they seem to be very reasonably priced. Can anyone comment on their tools? Nailers, table saws, etc?

Thanks for any help you guys can give, have a great day!

UPDATE:

After tons of research all morning while I shouldve been sleeping (12hr night shifts suck), I’ve learned so much about this. It seems a lot of people have been in this position and what I’ve determined is that people have narrowed it down to the Ridgid 4512, the Delta 36-725, or a hybrid saw like the Grizzly. Ive seen a lot of support for the first two saws as well as drawbacks for each. I also learned more about the Grizzly G0771, which I had passed up in my previous research because upon first look the fence didnt seem as good as the G0715P and it was sale priced considerably lower. I just assumed the G0715P was the new model. After looking into the blade drift issues I found the G0771 and saw that it had cab mounted trunnions and that caught my attention. Its just kind of disappointing that it has the aluminum fence.

So what do you guys think? Is the G0771 a good choice? Im still open to other options, so throw them my way. Im not afraid to spend a couple hundred extra for a better motor and a heavier saw. Itd definitely be worth it to me to upgrade past the Delta and Ridgid if the benefits are there, although the 36-725 is certainly appealing.

Im a Maintenance Electrician so putting 220 in my garage doesn’t scare me, and Ive got plenty of space because I dont believe in parking cars in my garage (where else would I put my pool table and other toys??). Id also like to stay away from used, just because Id like to have a warranty.

Thanks already for the responses, you guys are very helpful!

-- Measure once, cut once, hope for the best.


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Andre

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#1 posted 11-12-2015 03:58 PM

I picked up a older Delta hybrid cabinet saw($300), good saw but after a few years and some upgrades(Fence $400) Incra miter gauge($150) that cost more than the saw, still very happy with the saw! A good blade($150) can make an amazing change to a average saw. Depending on what you build a small Bandsaw(14”) can do a lot of work normally done on a table saw more safely? IMHO! Oh Ya Welcome to L.J.s Some of the Info is actually useful.LOL!

-- Lifting one end of the plank.

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bonesbr549

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#2 posted 11-12-2015 04:22 PM

I will tell you as someone who’s been doing this since around 85, that cheap crappy tools will only frustrate you and hurt your results. I’ve been there done that. If budget is an issue, and you can have some patience, I would recommend watching used tools in your area. I use searchtempest.com that allows you to search all the CL’s in your area by zip and distance you are willing to travel, to help find something. TS’s come up all the time. I would also say as someone who has used a crappy tabletop saw, shopsmith, contractor saw, cabinet saw, the best is the full blown cabinet saw. The foot print is not that big a diff and they just provide so much more bang for the buck. If you can do 220 do it, its worth it(as someone who has worked around underpowered saws trustme).

Old american pieces of iron come up all the time used, and they are a cheap find, you just have to be patient. I had the griz 1023slx for almost 10 years and it served me well and sold it only to upgrade to a sawstop (my foreversaw0.

Many good options out there don’t short yourself. I think of all the crap I bought and put up with before a real table saw. It was not economical if you add all that up. Cheers and welcome to the forum!

-- Sooner or later Liberals run out of other people's money.

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TiggerWood

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#3 posted 11-12-2015 05:00 PM

From what I’ve read, the setup for this saw can be extensive. If I had $900 for a table saw, I would get it.

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rwe2156

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#4 posted 11-12-2015 05:06 PM

For the money, I don’t see how you could go wrong with that saw. IMO I think its the best entry level saw out there. Compared to what you have been using it will be a huge step up.

However, I will echo Andres suggestion re: old iron. You would do well to check around there are 3HP Unisaws out there for about the same money you’ll spend on the Grizzly.

Can’t comment on Ridgid tools. The only ones I’ve owned are a couple 12V cordless drills that served me well for several years in light use until the batteries and chargers went bad.

I have seen good reviews on their sliding miter saw. If and when I decide to get a SCMS it will be between a Ridgid and a Bosch.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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Karamba

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#5 posted 11-12-2015 05:53 PM

I also considered G0715P but had some doubt reading all these blade drift issues. I just got off the call with Grizzly about this. I was lucky to get the exact technician who dealt with the problem. From his words appears that in most cases the saws that were returned to them with claims of the blade drift appeared to be user errors, although “very few needed minor adjustments”. However while denying that the problem is a widespread issue his advice was to go to a real cabinet saw like G0690 as those saws are built to much stricter tolerances, are sturdier have better controls and fences and such and so on.
While I agree that a saw that costs twice as much is bound to be better it is easy to get carried away. “This saw is better that that one and not that much expensive” So you settle on a slightly higher end saw and then you see an even better saw for not that much more money and the cycle repeats.
I have a few high end tools that I do not take even 10% of the advantages they offer. At the same time some real cheapos like an HF $10 angle grinder or a $20 Skil jigsaw have paid over their price dozen times already.
So definitely I would not go for Powermatic table saw for a home use. Even Grizzly G0715P might be an overkill.
(But that PM2000 looks so %^& nice it is difficult to talk yourself out of buying it outright)

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#6 posted 11-12-2015 07:28 PM

Old american pieces of iron come up all the time used, and they are a cheap find, you just have to be patient. I had the griz 1023slx for almost 10 years and it served me well and sold it only to upgrade to a sawstop (my foreversaw0.

+1 on quality used machinery… although Grizzly (and sawstop) are made overseas :)

Here is an example – both these saws cost roughly the same (new versus used):

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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AandCstyle

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#7 posted 11-13-2015 12:09 AM

Ben, I would buy the 715 just because it has the riving knife. That is a significant safety factor reducing the possibility of kickback. Buy the one you want and cry once or buy cheaper and cry every time you use it. DAMHIKT

-- Art

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knotscott

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#8 posted 11-13-2015 02:25 AM

If you’ve done of a ton of research, you should be well versed on the issues with the R4512 and G0715P….it’s a crap shoot, and you have other good options IMO.

The 36-725 offers a good bang for the buck ….better track record than the R4512, plus a better fence.

The fence on the G0771 is no worse than the one on the R4512, so it should be fine. The saw has several other positive attributes.

The end performance of any of them will be largely determined by setup and blade selection.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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bonesbr549

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#9 posted 11-13-2015 02:30 AM



Old american pieces of iron come up all the time used, and they are a cheap find, you just have to be patient. I had the griz 1023slx for almost 10 years and it served me well and sold it only to upgrade to a sawstop (my foreversaw0.

+1 on quality used machinery… although Grizzly (and sawstop) are made overseas :)

Here is an example – both these saws cost roughly the same (new versus used):

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix

Never said that griz was made in America nor Sawstop. I said old american Iron is good find (.) Griz is good saw, and Sawstop is too.

-- Sooner or later Liberals run out of other people's money.

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Cato

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#10 posted 11-13-2015 08:01 PM

Jet Proshop might be one to consider. 5 year warranty, and they know how to make a good saw.

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alittleoff

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#11 posted 11-14-2015 03:19 AM

I can’t say enough about the 36-725 delta. Pick one up at lowes, use it for 90 days and take it back if you don’t like it for a 100% refund. I bet you won’t take it back. They are great saws.
Gerald

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knotscott

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#12 posted 11-14-2015 05:04 AM

Is the OP still with us?

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jeff

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#13 posted 11-14-2015 09:53 AM

Quality used would be nice of course.I would stay away from the Rigid 4512-to many reported problems(alignment) exist for this saw.I do own one and I have no alignment issues and it fits my needs but the next TS I purchase will be considerably more substantial in weight/hp.The Grizzly 0690 looks really nice.

-- Jeff,Tucson,Az.

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knotscott

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#14 posted 11-15-2015 01:28 PM



Is the OP still with us?

- knotscott

Bummer….this is beginning to look like a hit and run.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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woodbutcherbynight

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#15 posted 11-15-2015 04:35 PM

LOL

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