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Forum topic by Karamba posted 11-05-2015 04:51 AM 1830 views 0 times favorited 46 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Karamba

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11-05-2015 04:51 AM

So it is 15 years since stopsaw was invented, and the patents are about to expire. Does it mean thar other manufacturers like Bosch will jump into production ? And if so does it mean that most of current table saws will become obsolete to the point that you would have to pay to get rid of one, let alone selling it ? Currently Stopsaw enjoys monopoly and thus exorbitant price, but that would change in the presence of competition.


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Mip

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#1 posted 11-05-2015 05:07 AM

15 years, man time does fly! Bosch does build a jobsite tablesaw that Sawstop is currently suing over since it’s very similar to the sawstop; like you say, Steve Gass likes the Monopoly. I don’t know about competition bringing down prices, since last I heard, Gass was pushing for other manufactureres to pay him to put blade sensing technology into their saws, which I think is total BS.

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Daruc

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#2 posted 11-05-2015 05:14 AM

How long before Sawstop sues Stopsaw?
Say that 3 times fast.

How many just tried?

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Mip

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#3 posted 11-05-2015 05:18 AM

That three times fast. There, done.

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Karamba

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#4 posted 11-05-2015 05:27 AM

He is a


15 years, man time does fly! Bosch does build a jobsite tablesaw that Sawstop is currently suing over since it s very similar to the sawstop;

It actially not similar at all. Bosch uses small explosives to lower the blade. It does not damage the blade and the cattrige is much simpler than the aluminum block with electromagnet. That would mean end to Sawstop.

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ScottinVa

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#5 posted 11-05-2015 04:42 PM

I hope so Karamba – that is, I hope all other manufacturers quickly adopt this technology and drive the price down.

I consider it a big win all around – more safety tech saving more lives & limbs combined with less money for Gass who I think is a horrible person for trying to use courts and the government to force others to buy his wares.

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pintodeluxe

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#6 posted 11-05-2015 04:52 PM

We need a cabinet saw with the Bosch technology. Since it doesn’t have the brake, it should be less complicated to change from a standard blade to a dado set.

A jobsite saw is a great start, but we really need the new safety technology in a cabinet saw.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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Karamba

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#7 posted 11-05-2015 05:14 PM



We need a cabinet saw with the Bosch technology.
- pintodeluxe

Unfortunately Bosch does not manufacture heavy machinery. Their jobsite saw is excellent but unfortunately is as large as you can get.

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JoeinGa

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#8 posted 11-05-2015 10:07 PM



How long before Sawstop sues Stopsaw?
Say that 3 times fast.

How many just tried?

- Woodust

“That, that, that”

There, fast enough? :-)

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EEngineer

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#9 posted 11-05-2015 10:35 PM

I don’t think so…

Wikipedia:
In the United States, under current patent law, the term of patent, provided that maintenance fees are paid on time, are:

For applications filed on or after June 8, 1995,[1] the patent term is 20 years from the filing date of the earliest U.S. or international (PCT) application to which priority is claimed (excluding provisional applications).
For applications filed before June 8, 1995 and for patents that were still in force on June 8, 1995, the patent term is either 17 years from the issue date or 20 years from the filing date of the earliest U.S. or international (PCT) application to which priority is claimed (excluding provisional applications), the longer term applying.

I believe you are thinking about:

In the United States, a design patent is a form of legal protection granted to the ornamental design of a functional item.

Design patents have a shorter term than utility patents. Design patents filed on or after May 13, 2015 have a term of 15 years from issuance. Design patents filed prior to May 13, 2015 have a term of 14 years from issuance.

-- "Find out what you cannot do and then go do it!"

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Bill White

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#10 posted 11-05-2015 10:53 PM

I have a Stopsaw. It stops when I turn it off.
Sawstop is mega bucks, great tech, but not in every budget.
I wish.
Bill

-- bill@magraphics.us

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distrbd

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#11 posted 11-05-2015 11:10 PM



I have a Stopsaw. It stops when I turn it off.
Sawstop is mega bucks, great tech, but not in every budget.
I wish.
Bill

- Bill White


The one you have comes with a more affordable technology.

-- Ken from Ontario, Canada

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SirIrb

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#12 posted 11-06-2015 12:28 AM

Good sir, there are a certain breed of us who wouldn’t have a machine that is SS or any of the other going fads. Personally, if it is 1970 and newer it doesn’t interest me.

So let the patients expire. Let the green bears, oriental PM and going deltas jump on board with hot dog detection with optional coffee maker and can opener. Let the current machines be sold off by the truckloads. Me?—I’ll be the guy picking up the real machines. Machines from a time when men were men and women were proud of them.

[Written semi tongue in cheek but still mostly honest]

-- Don't blame me, I voted for no one.

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Dark_Lightning

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#13 posted 11-06-2015 12:40 AM

I have an old “table” saw, with a cast iron top. As near as I can tell by dates on the parts, it was made in the ‘40s. One day I will build a bigger table (“wings”) to surround it, as it is a contractor saw, in spite of the fact that it is damned heavy. I talked to my wife about a Sawstop. She’s on board for the safety features, but I have no room for it. With a big enough set of “wings”, I should be OK with this one. That will have to wait until I can get a real shop. Who knows when that will be, though. We’d have to buy another house for that. Of course, by that time, I’ll be too old to build anything decent.

-- Random Orbital Nailer

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Clarkie

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#14 posted 11-06-2015 12:42 AM

When the saw stop first came along it was promoted as something that was created for the betterment of all wood workers. To keep them safe, there was a tremendous amount of hoopla about it. Then it finally became available, and don’t ya know it was priced way out of any normal wood worker’s means to attain one. Then the foolishness of attempting to make every machine made to have the system. To me it was like someone proclaiming they finally found a cure for some dreadful disease, but it would only be for those willing to make the one finding the cure rich. To hell with morals or the right thing to do, just get that buck. I am old school and will never see my way clear to purchasing a saw stop of any kind. When the time comes when I can’t operate the equipment safely, the doors to the shop will be closed. Thanks for listening, have fun, make some dust.

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bearkatwood

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#15 posted 11-06-2015 01:01 AM

I am going to ride my old table saw “all the way to the scene of the crash”
Leave my hot dogs alone!

-- Brian Noel

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