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Forum topic by CharlesA posted 11-04-2015 09:28 PM 911 views 0 times favorited 17 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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CharlesA

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11-04-2015 09:28 PM

I have a 113 Craftsman table saw that serves me well. I am annoyed as to how small a window there is to use my magnetic feather board because of the webbed wings. I’ve been looking for used ones for a couple of years, but instead I’ve found a glut of other webbed wings. The sawstop wing is around $100 with free shipping.

Pros and cons of replacing the left wing with solid cast iron?

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson


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HokieKen

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#1 posted 11-04-2015 09:36 PM

As long as it fits and it’s flat, I can’t see any downside. It’s not worth $100 to me, but I don’t use magnetic featherboards either. I’m not familiar with that particular saw, but I can’t imagine the added weight would be enough to put any additional stresses on the housing/frame. Only possible issue that I can think of is if they ground the wing too soon after casting and didn’t let it season properly you may see some warping over time. That’s the case with most any saw today though.

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Bill White

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#2 posted 11-04-2015 09:48 PM

Just depends on how much ya want the change.
I’ve heard many posts about the finger catching of the webs, very few about the mag capabilities.
Your call.
I for one, wouldn’t bother.
Bill

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rwe2156

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#3 posted 11-04-2015 10:52 PM

Is the saw worth spending the money?

Personally, I wouldn’t but if its worth it to you, just do it.

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splatman

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#4 posted 11-04-2015 11:20 PM

Bond a sheet of steel up to 1/8” thick across the top, and redrill the mounting holes so it can still be mounted flush with the main table.

Online Metals has sheet steel. The price seems reasonable. Certainly less than $100.

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#5 posted 11-04-2015 11:38 PM

Charles,

I know you mentioned wanting to replace the left wing on your saw with a solid c.i. wing to use your mag. featherboards, but have you thought about just replacing the wings with laminated MDF? The reason I ask is because I have a ‘85 Crapsman 113 saw, also, and many years ago I replaced the “diamond wings” with 3/4” laminated MDF (both), and replaced the fence system at the same time….Then a few years ago I built a saw cabinet for it…I use it, along with my other saw, mainly for cutting dados and rabbits….I did a blog on the build of the cabinet, but you can clearly see the outfeed tables left and right….Like you and many others, I got tired of pinching my fingers in /on the web wings….I have pictures in my blog if you want to see the saw…..This may or may not be your “cup of tea”, just merely a suggestion…..If interested, go to my blog. It’s called “A new look for an old workhorse”...

-- At my age, an "all--nighter" is not having to get up and pee...!!!

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hhhopks

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#6 posted 11-04-2015 11:40 PM

I replaced mine with a router cast iron wing. Looks like a good idea but haven’t install a router on it yet. Sometime having opening is an advantage as it may be a great place to have clamps to hold jigs (ex: homemade feather boards).

I have to agree with rwe2156 on not spending money on the 113 saw. In my case, I have a great CL deal (almost free) on the cast iron router wing extension. I am trying to save $ and looking for a cabinet saw.

-- I'll be a woodworker when I grow up. HHHOPKS

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#7 posted 11-04-2015 11:52 PM

The biggest con is cost. Some folks like to use the webs for clamping….no big deal to me. The benefits are pretty significant IMO. I really like solid cast wings, but for much lower cost, you can bore out the mounting holes on your grated wings to lower them by ~ 1/4”, then place 1/4” hardboard on top….not quite solid cast, but functions much like them. There’s not much harm in trying the hardboard trick on your existing wings….if you don’t like it, place the order to SS!

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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bkseitz

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#8 posted 11-05-2015 01:34 AM

Tried it initially on mine. Didn’t find it of value instead upgrading to a sliding table and microjig steelpro splitter did more for me.

The last upgrades were a Mule 52” fence and a homemade cabinet and outfeed table. All those gave me safer and better capabities

-- bkseitz, Washington "if everything is going well, you've obviously overlooked something"

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ForestGrl

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#9 posted 11-05-2015 04:49 AM

When I had a Jet contractor’s saw with stamped steel wings, I lucked out and found a set of cast iron Jet wings cheap ($70 or so), couldn’t get the $$ out of my wallet fast enough. LOVED the difference once they were mounted. I, too, use several magnetic accessories, but even without those the difference would have been worth it.

-- My mother said that anyone learning to cook needed a large dog to eat the mistakes. As a sculptor of wood I have always tried to keep a fireplace. (Norman Ridenour)

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CharlesA

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#10 posted 11-05-2015 12:27 PM

Thanks everyone. BTW, my 113 has Shop Fox classic fence ($50 on CL!) that I put on several years ago, and outside of power to go through 8/4 material, serves me quite well. If I ever find a set of wings for $70, I go for them, but you’ve basically talked me out of buying the one wing. I appreciate the alternate suggestions—I have a feeling if I tried bonding SS to the Cast Iron, I’d end up with something I’d end up not being happy with, mostly because I don’t like messing with metal that much. WW is fun for me, and I don’t like spending too much time doing stuff in order to do stuff.

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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#11 posted 11-05-2015 12:36 PM

Charles- once in a while, I see a 315 series saw pop up on Craigslist for $100 or so. These saws were often sold with the cast iron router wing and the align a rip fence, and a mobile base. I part them out….selling the motor for $75-100, the fence for $100, the router wing for $50, and the mobile base for $25ish.
I actually have a 113 with a T2 fence and all the accessories from various 315 saws that I’ve bought and sold.
Bottom line, if you see one of these saws pop up on your local craigslist…...you can effectively get the wing for free.

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bkseitz

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#12 posted 11-30-2015 08:21 PM

Don’t know if you’re still considering a cast iron upgrade or not. From the cost/benefit I went through I saw the price of upgrading verses building out a cabinet and outfeed table was a much better strategy. Below are the two guys that inspired me to build out a cabinet rather than just adding a cast iron wing. If space is a consideration then I guess the wing might make better sense. But I found the rolling cabinet and outfeed table was a way better addition, especially if you handle much sheet goods.

Drew Short https://youtu.be/ZEOYw0SXSi0 or Laney Shaughnessy https://youtu.be/jgfXn9xJSc0

-- bkseitz, Washington "if everything is going well, you've obviously overlooked something"

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CharlesA

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#13 posted 11-30-2015 08:22 PM

Thanks. I have mostly decided not to buy the new wing. your suggestions look interesting.

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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bkseitz

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#14 posted 11-30-2015 09:21 PM

I spent months trying to figure out what to do to my contractor saw, including selling and buying a cabinet saw. I looked at the price of such an option; serious $$$$ for a beefier saw and better dust collection. However, I’m not a pro and don’t have the volume of projects to justify—in my mind—for such an outlay.

The professed 3hp contractor saw seems to have enough power to go through any materials I use at a reasonable speed. The shortcomings I found were more on the work space and dust collection side. Cutting moderate to large sheet goods was a balancing act on rollers and saw horses which I found less than optimum [still have a few roller stands, but they’re gather dust now].

When I saw Drew’s and Laney’s projects I thought that was a better and cheaper option. In effect, I’ve almost built a cabinet saw. The later addition of a large outfeed table, sliding table and longer fence has made it a joy to cut on.

That’s the logic on how I came to my decisions on what to do. Hope that helps you.

Still working on DC portion. An article from Fine Woodworking Magazine May/June 2009 looks like the answer. I didn’t find too many solutions that were applicable to the 113’s unique construction. The back motor always seems to be the problem, till I came across this article

Current state of the project has made the saw much safer and more productive. I still have drawers and cabinet doors to add, but I’ll circle around to do that as I continue my shop organizing efforts this year. Lighting almost finished, electrical almost the same, dust collection is the next big project: Bought a Super Dust Deputy and plan on building a cyclone using a HF 2hp collector w/ Winn Filter (to be purchased) then hanging 6” ductwork. Expect that will handle majority of needs—would love a 5hp Clearvu, but again can’t justify spending that much for a one man part time shop.

If you ever get up my way drop me a line and I’ll give you the 50 cent tour. Its not to the comfort level and organization level of a Drew, Laney or Marc J. Spagnuolo (another guy worth watching on YouTube), but I’m not doing the scale of work they every month…I’m a little closer to Steve Ramsey (household and projects for the wife; some woodworking, some more carpentry, electrical and plumbing)

-- bkseitz, Washington "if everything is going well, you've obviously overlooked something"

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SirIrb

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#15 posted 11-30-2015 10:26 PM

On a limb here.

Buy a dead CI top saw on CL. Forget the wings. Steal the other saws top and bolt it on the drivers LH side. Holes should bolt up. And it would be a huge wing. Have to fab some braces. Or bolt 2 saws together and one have a crosscut blade? Places to go here.

Frankensaw.

-- Don't blame me, I voted for no one.

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