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10-26-2015 09:48 PM

So, I decided to work with General finishes dye stains for the first time. I didn’t find a particular color i liked on its own so i mixed 2 colors to get the color i liked. I mixed 3 parts dark brown with 6 parts emperial red. Im working on a beverage center/cabinet using quarter sewn white oak. I started staining the base cabinet after I fit the doors and took them off to stain. I had read the dye stains will change slightly in color especially after you apply your top coat. i went with shellac. After i did the base a few days later i started on the doors. The doors seemed to be more thirsty for the dye and now after I stained all 4 doors they seem so much redder than the base cabinet. I made sure i mixed enough color for the entire project to try to avoid this very issue. Am i going to be stuck sanding my doors down and trying to now hit the color by winging it? ANY, suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

thanks,

Ernie


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#1 posted 10-26-2015 10:15 PM

I try to stain all components at the same time, but doors and solid panels are notable exceptions. I assume all parts were sanded to the same grit, and prepped the same way. Temp, humidity, application time, and the wood itself all play a role in how a project will take color. Don’t judge it until the topcoat is on.

If it is still an obvious difference the three options are to 1. tint the topcoat to alter the color, or 2. Glaze to help match (gel stain over dye), or 3. Sand to bare wood and start over. If you choose to tint, Jeff Jewitt has some great info, both on his website http://homesteadfinishingproducts.com/ and through Finewoodworking.com

Good luck.
Have pictures?

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#2 posted 10-26-2015 10:30 PM

Thanks! The difference is so obvious. And its 100% the same dye. The conditions have changed. I’m in my garage and in Chicago.  photo image_zpsttzhskin.jpg

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#3 posted 10-26-2015 10:31 PM

do you have some of the same wood and the mix? apply some to the wood your using,use big enough piece the you can try diffrent ideas in different spots,use the same wood so your comparing apples to apples. after you have the test wood done just like the rest, try adding a little more dark brown to the dye and apply over the test piece,see if it brings it closer.If not try a different shellac shellacs give different tints.

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#4 posted 10-26-2015 10:41 PM

Im definitely going to invest in a sprayer! I will try what you recommended but I think sanding may end up being my option and adding more brown to the mix. I’ll upload pics.

thanks,

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#5 posted 10-26-2015 10:45 PM

@pintodeluxe, I really like the color of your arts and crafts entertainment center. Thats the color I was trying to achieve.

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#6 posted 10-27-2015 12:37 AM

Does the base have shellac on it? and the doors dont? If so the shellac should yellow the redish on the doors and bring it back to a brown.

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#7 posted 10-27-2015 12:57 AM

Here is a pic of the doors and base with equal parts shellac. I think I failed on having the same sanding schedule prior to adding the dye.

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#8 posted 10-29-2015 07:19 PM

I’ve decided to stain and start over. Any recommendations? Should I use some sort off conditioner afterwards or just start with somerhing gritty and go finer from there?

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#9 posted 10-29-2015 07:24 PM

Oops. I meant sand and start over

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#10 posted 10-29-2015 07:58 PM

Man oh man, I am up to my ears in work, but your in trouble, but not as bad as it looks Pm me and I will give you an email and I will help you .

Here is my Facebook page and some chest i just finished about 2 hours ago,https://www.facebook.com/charles.neil.33, they were Kits and older gentleman bought in 1969, they had gotten wet, molded, mildewed, cracked , cupped, and all the wood was different colors, I had to remake parts, re-carve a ton and on and on, but the gentleman is a retired Army general and he really wanted them done so out of respect, I agreed, but getting the color correct over such a spectrum was a challenge , but we got it, oddly enough we used General finish dyes, and even odder, 2 of the same colors you have , You appear to have 2 different colors going, one a light tan/brown the other has a reddish tone , but we can fix it.

For the moment get some Denatured Alcohol and some synthetic pads, ( no steel wool) and scrub them as clean as you can get them and Pm Me .

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#11 posted 10-29-2015 08:23 PM

Got it! Sending you message now. So don’t sand down?

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#12 posted 10-29-2015 08:28 PM

not yet , talk tomorrow

But I do need to see the color your after .

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#13 posted 10-30-2015 02:26 PM

Pm not received , I sent you one

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#14 posted 10-30-2015 06:05 PM

Lets try this again here is my email

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#15 posted 10-30-2015 06:17 PM

Yes, that’s where I emailed you earlier

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