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Forum topic by DustandDirt posted 10-22-2015 03:00 PM 581 views 0 times favorited 18 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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DustandDirt

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10-22-2015 03:00 PM

Hello.
I am building a crib for our first child. Since this is our first, I am being overly paranoid about everything!....so the finish I would like to use to avoid any and all concerns is Mineral Oil.
Problem is, I am trying to get an old rustic look, but will be using pine…so would like to get a darker look to it somehow.

I was going to start doing some testing…but of course I do any long term testing since I am under the gun.
Has anyone ever stained lighter wood, and then applied a mineral oil finish over?
Any issues with blotchyness over time? Loss of color, etc? As I am sure I will have to reapply over time to maintain it.
Was also thinking about mixing mineral oil with Wax, and use a rub-on method…?
Any other issues anyone can think of? Or ideas?

Thanks much!
D


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pintodeluxe

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#1 posted 10-22-2015 03:24 PM

If you haven’t committed to pine yet, you might try a wood that will naturally darken in time like cherry. Then you could just oil it, and feel safe that the finish won’t harm the little one.

Safety is always a good angle when you are trying to convince your significant other to spend money at the hardwood retailer.

There might be “food-safe” dyes out there that you could apply first, then topcoat with Shellac. Transtint advises against it, but you may find a product with a non-toxic formula.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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jumbojack

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#2 posted 10-22-2015 03:37 PM

While I do love working with pine, staining it is problematic. It is prone to sploching. You won’t have a noticeable problem on the splats but on the larger end pieces unless you do one of the many choices in splotchy control you may/will run into a problem.
I would not use mineral as a ‘finish’ as is is not really a finish. It will never harden or finish if you will. If you stain the project and then mineral oil it, the stain can migrate to clothing and of course baby. All finishes once cured are safe. Shellac would be my choice for a crib finish’. It is proven SAFE when cured and provides a washable surface for clean up of the little ones errant body fluild mishaps.

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WoodNSawdust

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#3 posted 10-22-2015 03:41 PM

I second the idea of using Shellac. I recall reading somewhere that Shellac was used as a coating on the outside of medicine pills.

-- "I love it when a plan comes together" John "Hannibal" Smith

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DustandDirt

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#4 posted 10-22-2015 03:41 PM

Thanks, Two great points!...you guys have successfully talked me out of mineral oil.
I like the idea of a shellac…and could condition, stain, dewax shellac…..
Or of course I can check with the boss about a nicer wood!
Cheers!

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DustandDirt

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#5 posted 10-22-2015 03:43 PM

I just stumbled across this article. Interesting…
http://www.woodcentral.com/articles/finishing/articles_497a.shtml

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#6 posted 10-22-2015 03:46 PM



I just stumbled across this article. Interesting…
http://www.woodcentral.com/articles/finishing/articles_497a.shtml

- DustandDirt

This article corresponds with what I have read. Sure, you don’t want to use lead paint. But varnishes of all kinds are safe when cured, oil or waterborne. You’d have as much danger from the stain as the topcoat.

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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firefighterontheside

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#7 posted 10-22-2015 03:58 PM

............and shellac is so easy to use. It dries in a heartbeat. You can get a whole finishing job done in one day using shellac.

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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bondogaposis

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#8 posted 10-22-2015 04:11 PM

Orange shellac will give an aged look to pine and it is a natural and non toxic product.

-- Bondo Gaposis

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CharlesA

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#9 posted 10-22-2015 04:27 PM



Orange shellac will give an aged look to pine and it is a natural and non toxic product.

- bondogaposis

The two biggest names in finishing that I know of, Bob Flexner and Charles Neil say the same exact thing: Before curing, finishes have a great variance in their toxicity, but after curing, they’re all non-toxic.

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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Wildwood

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#10 posted 10-22-2015 04:59 PM

Charles A, can you name one wood finish listed on Food & Drug CFR that is non-toxic once dry? Next time you talk to your finishing experts don’t forget to ask!

Why does EPA require V.O.C.’s be listed on wood finishes today because of out gassing on both oil & water based/borne finishing products?

-- Bill

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CharlesA

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#11 posted 10-22-2015 05:13 PM



Charles A, can you name one wood finish listed on Food & Drug CFR that is non-toxic once dry? Next time you talk to your finishing experts don t forget to ask!

Why does EPA require V.O.C.’s be listed on wood finishes today because of out gassing on both oil & water based/borne finishing products?

- Wildwood

And if the shellac is sold when dissolved, then it has a safety sheet that looks something like this, right?

https://engineering.case.edu/thinkbox/sites/engineering.case.edu.thinkbox/files/msds-1-denatured_alcohol.pdf

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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DustandDirt

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#12 posted 10-22-2015 05:36 PM

Charles – What is your opinion on using “Everclear” from liquor store instead of denatured to cut Shellac? It is a mute point since it all get flashed off?

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CharlesA

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#13 posted 10-22-2015 05:40 PM

I’m assuming your point is the point is silent . . .

I’m no expert on this stuff, so I can’t answer tons of questions: 1) just pointing out that Shellac is dangerous in its dissolved form, it’s just that we don’t often buy it that way. Yes, the DNA evaporates away. 2) We’d all be better off to put more faith in Flexner and Neil, who know their stuff, than in random internet posters (including me).

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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DustandDirt

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#14 posted 10-22-2015 05:43 PM

But I am reading it on the internet…doesn’t that mean that it is true?!?

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HokieKen

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#15 posted 10-22-2015 06:03 PM



But I am reading it on the internet…doesn t that mean that it is true?!?

- DustandDirt

Yes, yes it does. I invented the internet and personally vet everything that gets posted on it.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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