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alittleoff

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10-22-2015 02:26 PM


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this is a heavy duty Table saw. Big direct drive motor. cast base. 3 phase. we took this out of service several years ago but was running with no problems. it is hard to read the tag on the motor but it looks like 5 hp. 16” blade. The tag has American Woodworking, Rochester,NY on the base of the saw and the motor. 500.00.

I saw this on Craigslist this morning. I’ve never heard of the saw but it looks like a beast. Anyone heard of them and is it worth that kind of money.
Thanks Gerald


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#1 posted 10-22-2015 03:18 PM

I’m sure it’s built like a tank but not sure about accuracy and availability of parts. I like old iron stuff like this but I’m sure, if this thing tilts at all, it tilts the table and not the arbor/motor assembly. I have an old shop smith that tilts the table and I never ever use it. If all you want to do is cut 90ยบ cuts then it will probably handle anything you could throw at it, and a 16” blade would allow for some pretty good resawing, though the kerf of a blade that big would chew up a lot of usable material :( Personally for that kind of money I’d keep an eye out for an old unisaw or something similar.

-- Jarrett - Mount Vernon, Ohio

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SirIrb

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#2 posted 10-22-2015 03:27 PM

Oh, heck yes. Talk him down to $400 just cause and take that beast home. Get on OWWM and learn about the joy of referbing old iron. If you dont get this you should be ashamed.

Really, it depends on if it runs. Can you get a phase converter (Or do you get 3ph service?).

This may not be a steal but it is a nice deal.

This will make a (God forgive me) Delta 12-14 or PM 72 green with envy.

-- Don't blame me, I voted for no one.

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#3 posted 10-22-2015 03:32 PM

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#4 posted 10-22-2015 03:56 PM

American was a well known and well respected brand of industrial machinery. That saw looks to be an American #1 variety saw from the 20’s. It’s a tilting table type, which limits it’s usefulness to the home hobbyist, but is ideally suited for use as a dedicated saw station in an industrial/production environment. Here is a catalog listing from 1923:

The company history, catalogs, pictures and other information can be found at the Vintagemachinery site:
http://vintagemachinery.org/mfgindex/detail.aspx?id=37&tab=0

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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#5 posted 10-22-2015 04:05 PM

It is an American Number 1. Smitdog is right that the table tilts and raises/lowers while the arbor remains stationary. It is a very cool old saw and super heavy. Accuracy will not be a problem once you get it in your shop and get it tuned. American was one of the most popular manufacturers of old woodworking equipment. It was probably manufactured between 1900 and 1920.

I would ask them about the bearings. If the bearings haven’t been replaced in the time they owned it, I would use that as leverage to get them down at least $100. It looks to be in great shape, so $500 is not out of the question. I would personally target $350. Sounds like they just want it out of the way.

If you get it, you definitely want to post over on OWWM.org. Ridiculous amount of knowledge and advice will come from it.

EDIT What Unix said.

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#6 posted 10-22-2015 05:02 PM

I’m from Rochester, and had no idea about American Woodworking…prolly a little before my time! Looks like a major piece of hardware.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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SirIrb

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#7 posted 10-22-2015 05:04 PM

So now you see what some wise gents have had to say. But now for the real motivation for getting this saw.

You at the bar
You: Yall ever seen a 16” table saw.
Drunk friends: I have a 10” craftsman.
You: I said 16” CAST IRON BEAST THAT SCARES CHILDREN AND IS THE SUBJECT MATTER FOR THE FORTHCOMING STEPHEN KING BOOK, ever see one of those.
Friends now sober: No but we bow in your presence.

Just remember, if you dont have 3 ph service you will need a phase converter.

-- Don't blame me, I voted for no one.

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#8 posted 10-22-2015 05:20 PM

Its a cool hunk of iron, but I’d rather spend $500 on a saw that ran on 120/220v, used common parts, and was actually practical for my needs.
Signed,
Wet Blanket (aka stick in the mud)

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#9 posted 10-22-2015 06:24 PM

This would be an awesome thing to own but you buy it for the love of old machines, not as a daily driver.

-- http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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alittleoff

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#10 posted 10-24-2015 12:38 PM

Thanks for the info, but I decided to pass on the saw. I’ve already got a unisaw that I’m getting ready to restore. I hate to pass on it but guess I will. I really love old tools.
Gerald

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rwe2156

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#11 posted 10-24-2015 02:23 PM

I think you made the right choice.

You would need either a phase converter or a single phase motor + wiring + breaker for 5HP.

Plus the cost of 14-16” blades is considerable.

Years ago for $250 I ended up with an old Rockwell beast with a 14” blade from a shop that burnt.
The cast iron leaves alone were in excess of 250#. It had a 7.5HP motor.
I planned to convert it to 5HP but ended up selling it to a big woodshop for $450 instead.

I was glad to see that behemoth leave.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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SirIrb

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#12 posted 10-24-2015 04:26 PM



This would be an awesome thing to own but you buy it for the love of old machines, not as a daily driver.

- Rick M.


If you had a GTO Judge would you drive it to work every day?—yesyouwould. I would too. I would have a 16” saw in my shop for a daily cutter, yesiwould. And I would let friends come over and touch it for $5 a minute.

-- Don't blame me, I voted for no one.

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#13 posted 10-24-2015 04:59 PM

Agree….If you have the room and just want to waste money and time go for it. Otherwise Id skip it..

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Rick M

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#14 posted 10-25-2015 03:05 AM


If you had a GTO Judge would you drive it to work every day?—yesyouwould. I would too. I would have a 16” saw in my shop for a daily cutter, yesiwould. And I would let friends come over and touch it for $5 a minute.

- SirIrb

But that saw is more equivalent to an early 20th century car before controls and pedals were standardized. For someone like you or I that love old iron, it would be a great saw but for the average joe it would probably just be frustrating.

-- http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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Tedstor

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#15 posted 10-25-2015 06:45 PM


This would be an awesome thing to own but you buy it for the love of old machines, not as a daily driver.

- Rick M.

If you had a GTO Judge would you drive it to work every day?—yesyouwould. I would too. I would have a 16” saw in my shop for a daily cutter, yesiwould. And I would let friends come over and touch it for $5 a minute.

- SirIrb

And the first time that GTO left you on the side of the highway and/or got dinged in your office parking lot…..you’d park it back in the barn, and buy a Honda Civic.

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