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WoodNSawdust

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10-21-2015 10:06 PM

Topic tags/keywords: dust collection laguna cyclone

Through Friday Woodcraft has the Laguna 2hp cyclone on sale for $1259.10. I called the local store and they said if I bought it at the store and then picked it up from the store there would be no shipping charge. Some places charge between $75 and $150 for shipping even if you pick it up.

The specifications are 1750 cfm @ 14.8 static pressure with an 8 inch inlet.

I found several reviews of this dust collector but nothing recent. Anyone who has one care to post a update?

Past reviews commented about small dust leaks post impeller. Have they resolved the problem(s)?

-- "I love it when a plan comes together" John "Hannibal" Smith


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TheDane

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#1 posted 10-21-2015 11:33 PM

Actually, I have one on order right now … should be here in a few days.

Our fellow LJ Marty Backe did a detailed video on it several years ago.

Before I placed my order, I wrote Marty and asked for his evaluation of the machine’s performance after several years of operation in his shop.

Here is his reply pf 26Sep15:
It’s been working great (almost 5 years now). The remote (which I love) still works on the original batteries. The only failure I had was the built-in circuit breaker, which died a couple of years ago. To replace the $10 part you can only buy the entire control model, at $300. If you can find a compatible part you can do it yourself for about $10. I chose to depend on my shop circuit breaker, so I bypassed their broken circuit breaker.

If you buy it (I would buy it again), there’s a mesh tube at the bottom of the large barrel. It has lots of rough edges (unless they fixed it) which will tear the bag. Once the bag gets torn (even a little bit), a bunch of saw dust will get into the little bypass hose, which will greatly affect the performance of the fine particle filter. So apply some tape to all those rough edges and you’ll avoid that problem.

Let me know how it goes if you buy it.

I will post a review after I get it in the shop and in use for awhile.

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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#2 posted 10-22-2015 01:59 PM

Just thought I’d through this out there:

I’ve been looking at the Tempest unit Penn State Industries sells.

Its 3.5Hp 1700CFM 14.5”SP.
Compare that to 1450/10.5 on the Laguna.

$200 more and probably another $100 in shipping but might be worth a look.

Second, Clear Vue has their 5HP cyclone on sale for $1400 if you plan on venting outside.

Overall IMO Laguna tools are very good, but very pricey.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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pintodeluxe

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#3 posted 10-22-2015 03:19 PM

To further complicate things, Jet makes upright 2 stage cylones now as well. They look a lot like the new Laguna design.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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#4 posted 10-22-2015 03:41 PM

Just be aware that short cyclones are generally less efficient than tall ones. If your ceiling is short you won’t have much choice but if you have the ceiling height, look into the bigger models. Mine is an old Murphy Rodgers that cost about $1,200 by the time I upgraded filters and added a VFD. It requires about 10-11’ of height but works much better than any 2-3HP system I’ve used in the past.

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#5 posted 10-22-2015 03:42 PM

I’ve run my dust collectors outside to save floor space, to keep the noise down and eliminate the need for a spendy cyclone system .I also have 3 HF units to eliminate some ducting. even buying 3 of these units you still will only pay half the price of one laguna unit and won’t have to deal with laguna’s terrible customer service. Even though there low cost I’ve had years of great service from them and they have good reviews also.

http://www.harborfreight.com/2-hp-industrial-5-micron-dust-collector-97869.html

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#6 posted 10-22-2015 03:50 PM

I don’t have any opinion on this unit, but I’m curious on the value of the “mobile cyclone.” I have a small shop, and I found it much more efficient to install ducting and keep the DC in the corner than to make space for it to roll around the shop. If you have a big shop, I guess this might be more helpful since ducting would be more difficult and you’d have room to run it around.

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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TheDane

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#7 posted 10-22-2015 04:46 PM

... but I m curious on the value of the “mobile cyclone.”

Good point … I think it depends on the shop itself.

In my case, the shop is 14’ x 23’, and due to the placement of the 10’ garage door, service door, and built-in cabinets, ducting just wouldn’t work.

The current DC (and the new Laguna when it gets here) will be roughly in the center of a 23’ wall, which puts it within easy distance to any of the machines. I use Rockler’s Dust Right fittings on each machine with an expandable 4” hose. I also want the option to move the DC out into the adjacent 2-stall garage for bigger projects.

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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WoodNSawdust

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#8 posted 10-22-2015 05:30 PM

Let me share more information on my situtition.

I am planning on purchasing a ””plastic””:http://www.lowes.com/pd551122-1217-18932281z0wg8b__?productId=50148196&pl=1 shed kit from Lowes and installing it outside of my shop. The inside dimensions are 4.3 wide x 2 deep x 6 feet height. I may consider making one with 2×4s, but with the city code I don’t know if it would be worth it.

So I am limited to a short cyclone.

As far as my current Harbor Freight with a Wynn Nano filter, well I could add a cyclone to the front and adapt it to fit in the shed, but most say that adding a cyclone to the HF causes a decrease in performance. Then there are those that say it really is not a 2HP unit.

By time I figure in the time to adapt the HF plus the cost I already have invested plus the cost of an Ordia Super Dust deputy I have almost half the cost of the Laguna plus my time away from doing the woodworking I like.

-- "I love it when a plan comes together" John "Hannibal" Smith

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#9 posted 10-22-2015 05:31 PM


plus my time away from doing the woodworking I like.

- WoodNSawdust


This is always a big factor for me.

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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#10 posted 10-22-2015 05:40 PM

plus my time away from doing the woodworking I like.

- WoodNSawdust

This is always a big factor for me.

- CharlesA

Funny how things change … there was a time when I would tinker with something for months on end. The older I get, the less patient I am and the more likely I am to buy a solution instead of trying to invent one!

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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a1Jim

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#11 posted 10-22-2015 05:45 PM

WoodN
With your limited room it makes even more sense to have your unit outside,you just build a little “tall Dog house” structure and put it in there and while you’re at it build it big enough for your compressor too(much quieter and safer than in the shop. when doing this you don’t need another filter other than the bag it comes with,the filter is to keep dust from coming in the shop ,but outside you will just have the hose and or ducting coming through the wall. I think folks get convinced they will have zero micron’s of dust if they have cyclones and or micro filters. Each person has to work all of the aspects of their own shop for themselves. Improving your shop only makes your woodworking experience better,so I don’t view shop set up time away from woodworking at all. Good luck on what ever route you take.

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#12 posted 10-22-2015 08:35 PM

I’ve had mine for about 3-4 years. Bought it because the space I had was only about 6 feet tall in the basement. Nothing else would fit. It replaced a 1.5 hp dust collector with cannister filter. It has much better suction that the dust collector. Unit is quite quiet and I can’t hear it when I’m standing by my running table saw (about 15’ away).

Mine did NOT come with the little suction hose to hold the bag down in the barrel. I uses a bolt together metal frame that fits inside the bag. Ug, it always seems to catch when I’m removing it and tears the bag. I have started putting in upside down. I will probably replace it with one of those “magic carpets” that are used for sliding on snow.

As far as separation is concerned, it probably is not as good as the 8-9’ tall units but the barrel collects at least 95+% of the chips and dust. 29 gallons in the barrel to about 1/4-1/2 cup in the filter bag. It is very important to have a good seal on the barrel. I have mine set so that when I clamp down the top, it actually lift the cyclone very slightly off the ground at the front. Before I did this I only got about 80% separation due to air leakage.

I am using 4” pvc piping and have all my machines line up on one wall so I only have a max of about 20’ of piping and a short flexible hose to each machine. I do not move the cyclone, it just sits in a corner of my shop.

I’m not sure if I would buy it again. I now have a dedicated shop with 10’ ceilings so I can fit a full height cyclone. I paid $1200 Canadian back when the dollar was at par. It now retails for about 1800 Canadian it is not that big of a jump to a 3hp full size unit. I doubt that I would replace the unit though as it does what I require it to do.

A friend has ordering an anemometer so I will be able to calculate the actual CFMs of this unit as I have it setup.

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WoodNSawdust

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#13 posted 10-23-2015 02:05 AM

Thanks everyone!

I decided that I needed to do more research and if Laguna is the way to go I will get it the next time it is on sale.

The sticking point was if I could fit it into the shed. I want to go with a prefab shed because the shed will be too close to the lot line and it seems like they get less upset if you buy instead of building.

-- "I love it when a plan comes together" John "Hannibal" Smith

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#14 posted 10-23-2015 04:35 PM


It is very important to have a good seal on the barrel. I have mine set so that when I clamp down the top, it actually lift the cyclone very slightly off the ground at the front. Before I did this I only got about 80% separation due to air leakage.

I found out the same thing when I bought an ebay cyclone and set everything up. I started with a 55g rubbermaid, but the seal wasn’t good, I was getting 20% to the bag. When I fixed the seal, it collapsed from the vacuum. I switched to a steel drum with some latches and now it’s pulling 98% into the drum. I made a PVC frame to keep the bag in place.

WoodNSawdust, take a look at these.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cyclone-Separator-for-Dust-Collector-/280840027122?hash=item41635ebbf2:m:mC5XUh3yeo-RxC0HcNqZNMQ

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#15 posted 10-23-2015 05:53 PM

Actually, I have looked at the cyclone on eBay (the one ClammyBallz linked to).

The problem I have with it (and other similar) is that it is only a partial solution. I would still need to come up with a motor/blower, filter system, drop bin, mounting frames, etc. By the time I would source out and procure the necessary components, design the rack, and build the system, I doubt I would be saving much. With the Laguna, my grandson and I can out it together in a couple of hours, then plug and chug.

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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