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Forum topic by End_Grain posted 12-08-2009 04:42 AM 2194 views 1 time favorited 82 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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12-08-2009 04:42 AM

my great nation is in the hands of today’s youth. Excuse me, but after tonight that is exactly how I feel. I work part time as a math tutor. After four weeks of tutoring a group of sixth graders, we had our assessment test this evening.

Given four picture choices, the question asked which object would be closest to three feet? My one student selected ‘banana.’

Given the populations of Europe and South America, which of the two has a greater population: Selected answer: Asia???

Marsha runs 300 yards every day. How many feet does she run? Selected answer: 600

I could go on but you catch the drift. Given I did not go over how many feet are in a yard but for Pete’s sake what about the other two responses? I can’t even remember when I learned there were 3’ in a yard. It was one of those givens in my life. WTF are these parents doing aside from getting cross eyed downing a couple Colt 45s when they should be at the kitchen table with their children supervising homework. I just don’t get it anymore.

Granted we will always need people to do menial undesirable jobs but I think we are preparing far to many of them for the jobs that will be available in the future.

-- My greatest fear is that when I die, my wife will sell all my stuff for what I told her I bought it for.

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#1 posted 12-08-2009 05:02 AM

I feel your pain! I just turned 39 this past week. I know my parents and their parents thought the same of my generation. If you want to watch a movie about it, it’s called Idiocracy. Hilarious, but scarily possible.

I hate drive up windows, malls where you have to deal with some younger people…The interaction leaves you well…Lacking, wanting more, something better? Drives me crazy. I keep saying it and everyone looks at me like I’m crazy, but POOR Service and a general lack of consideration and caring is a F%%&**& Epidemic!

If I were a mean person, I would be thinking, “Boy, we’re really going to have a generation we can take advantage of when they get older.. Hey!, wait a minute….I think that’s what they’re doing to my generation!!!

Keep up the fight, for every couple of youths that don’t get it, there’s one that does and really will appreciate the help you’ve given them later on

-- He who dies with the most tools wins!.....Just wait, I'm going to win!..ERR my wife will at least.

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#2 posted 12-08-2009 05:38 AM

I hear you guys, but we are not all bad you know. This is stereotyping and I take offence to this. In my 18 years on this earth I have been let into convince stores with only two of my piers so the staff can supervise us like we are criminals on a supervised visit with our children. I have been stalked by floor walkers in places like Wal-Mart. I have been treated like I know nothing at the hardware store that I work at because of my age, but if you take a minute you may be surprised that I know a fair bit and I am always willing to learn more, for none of us know it all. I have plans to have my own cabinetmaking shop in the next five to ten years once I finish up college, it may be tough at first but nothing great comes easy. I guess all I am trying to say is comments like the above, that today’s youth hear all too often make it harder for us and they are very discouraging, but I am not going to let them get me down. Before putting all your eggs in one basket just remember that most eggs are good, but if you look hard enough you will find a rotten one from time to time. Maybe there are too many “rotten eggs” today but we have to find a way to fix that, hopefully we can find a way together.

-- A hammer dangling from a wall will bang and sound like work when the wind blows the right way.

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#3 posted 12-08-2009 05:41 AM

Here is a different opinion.

Go spend a little time in a HIGH SCHOOL Career and Technical School. You will find teenagers willing and ready to learn trades from automotive specialty through welding technology. Teenagers running CNC machines, plasma welders, building houses, rebuilding engines and on and on. There is no shortage of kids wanting to learn and mastering skills our parents never dreamed of.

Don’t be too quick to lump all these kids into the basket of poor experiences you have mentioned.


-- Lew- Time traveler. Purveyor of the Universe's finest custom rolling pins.

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#4 posted 12-08-2009 06:01 AM

The never-ending argument of “today’s youth”. It’s important to keep in mind the generations that came before the kids of today. Yeah kids are learning about sex earlier, always using cell-phones, and so on. However, you have to keep in mind that all these negative traits of youth exist because of the generation before them. It’s adults that make laws, allow what’s on television, and determine what kids can do. It gets worse every generation because adults allow it to. And yes even the “greatest generation” is guilty of this.

-- Don't tell her I'm in the shop!

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#5 posted 12-08-2009 06:04 AM

I guess your not that good of a tutor LOL…

I am just kidding, but I think you are taking it a bit hard. Lumping everyone into a stereotype isn’t the way to go about it either.

-- San Diego, CA

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#6 posted 12-08-2009 06:20 AM

No single generation is any smarter than any other. It’s a truth that there are always plenty of people who are either dumb or lazy. It’s best not to get too worked up about it because there are plenty of smart, hardworking, responsible kids out there.

One need look no further than the large number of kids who signed up to serve in the armed forces to see that this is true.

-- Altruism is, ultimately, self-serving

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#7 posted 12-08-2009 06:20 AM

The kids that know there a 4 feet in a yard don’t need a tutor :-))

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#8 posted 12-08-2009 06:31 AM

Todays parents pass their responsibility on to the “teachers”. When my youngest son was a honors student in the tenth grade, we had two—-definitly not teachers—-teaching honors math and history. They were so unquailfied, I took him out and finished home schooling him. When he went to college, he was always on the Dean’s list.
These schools are our own fault as parents. And until parents take the responsibility to control their kids so there is a learning enviroment, and kick the unions out and in mass demand qualified instructors, this is what you get.
Sorry for the rant. But after spending 40 years raising kids, this is my greatest peeve. Thank you for listening, I apologize. I’m going back out in my cold shop and cool off. God bless, Rand

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#9 posted 12-08-2009 06:43 AM

I think..were I to protest about being unfairly judged on the Internet because of my youth…I might use a spell checker just to make it more effective.

End Grain, I assume the children you were tutoring were having difficulties with math since they required a tutor in the first place. I’m going to jump to a conclusion and suggest that their parents are not mathmatically gifted either. What’s the matter…you’ve never seen a 3 foot banana?

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#10 posted 12-08-2009 08:23 AM

Lew You still have high school level tech schools?!? Wow. They’ve closed pretty much all the tech programs around here. One administrator said “Our students are all college material.”

-- Karen - a little bit of stupid goes a long way

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#11 posted 12-08-2009 08:56 AM

I taught industrial arts for five years and left teaching because of the pay. I enjoyed teaching and felt I was a good teacher. It always amazed me that we are willing to pay vets a decent salary to take care of our pets but not pay teachers a decent salary to educate our kids. Don’t want to start a a big debate here but that is why I left teaching. I feel there are a lot of good kids out there today wanting to learn and make something of themselves.

God Bless

-- Mc Bridge Cabinets, Iowa

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#12 posted 12-08-2009 11:25 AM

My 2 cents. We have let the minority tell us what we can and cannot do . If the majority had over ruled the minority when they took all the principles of punishment away from the parents and teachers, we would and could have better educated kids. Yes there are many kids who want to learn but more that do not.

-- Jerry--A man can never have enough tools or clamps

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#13 posted 12-08-2009 01:31 PM

another tidbit: we are so focused on creating Einsteins that we skip the basics and jump right into college material. What is being missed in the early grades includes, (the list is gathered from teachers): how to hold a pencil; memorization of the multiplication tables; how to write (cursive handwriting); grammar basics. There is also such a demand on teaching information that there is not enough time to pause and help children through social issues, and character building situations.
As for whose responsibility is it: teachers or parents—the answer is “society” – it takes a village to raise a child

And here is another tidbit:
“The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority, they show disrespect to their elders…. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and are tyrants over their teachers.”
Author: Socrates

Or here’s another one:
“I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words… When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise [disrespectful] and impatient of restraint”
Hesiod, 8th century BC

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#14 posted 12-08-2009 02:37 PM

Well said MsDebbieP… beat me to it.

-- "Good artists borrow, great artists steal”…..Picasso

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#15 posted 12-08-2009 02:45 PM

What I remember about school? They tell you to remember all this stuff, but never told you how to remember it. I’m talking technically about mnemonic devices – things like “In 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue…” if they would teach us how to properly use memory, we could retain more. I trained my memory – yes, using those goofy memory systems you see on TV – to be able to recall easily 20 random things, whereas the average person can only do 7 – the same number, not coincidentally, as in a phone number.

Another thing is, we American parents don’t put an emphasis on the value of education. Yes, that’s a generalization, but accurate I think. Not to stereotype, but we have several Asian families around here, and they demand (and get) academic performance from their kids. They let them know education is valuable, get all you can. In my area, we have nationally recognized public schools. In fact, my elementary school was ranked #1 in the nation. The parents are generally high achievers, so like-wise, their kids are too.

I don’t believe that more money for teachers equals better teachers. In the Rochester CSD, the upped the salary something like 20% for teachers 10 years ago, with the premise of hiring the best teachers, and nothing changed really, except the teacher’s union got more money. I’m sorry, but I think teachers make a very good wage, when you take into consideration the some 3 months off they get and golden benefits and retirements package – at least here in NY. Don’t get me wrong – teaching is not easy, and I sure wouldn’t want to be one in the city schools, but they are getting paid enough, in my opinion. I just wonder how much better the “schools” would be if the “parents” – or more accurately, “parent” (since most are single women), instilled the value of education in kids, and not just let the schools be a babysitter.

The schools too need to actually take back the school. If you’ve never been to an inner city school, you wouldn’t believe it – kids can say literally anything to teachers, and not get any, or very little punishment. If they are suspended, or expelled, they get a lawyer to sue the school to let them back in, the legal basis being they “are being denied an education”. I worked installing computers in these schools, and was literally afraid to use the bathroom, because their might be a gang in there. I’d see kids handing something off to each other in the halls – drugs, I’m sure. Just an absolute zoo – the inmates run the asylum. It can’t work that way . But you have liberal policies in this school and this is what happens. All feel good stuff. Well, how’s it feeling now? Then I’ve been in parochial schools – in which parents pay their own money to school the kids, and it’s night and day. Kids are respectful, and well mannered and act like they have brains. We were sending our son to a Catholic school, and a 4th grader - a 4th grader - took us on a tour of the school! She was very well spoken, knowledgeable and courteous – I couldn’t believe it. Most adults wouldn’t be this good. Yes, we sent him there.

So there you have my 2 cents. Let the schools actually have discipline, teach kids HOW to learn, have parents that know the value of education – and instill that in their kids, and I think you have a decent school.

-- Have a blessed day!

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