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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
The NRA should be extra proud of Ben Carson.
 
#3 · (Edited by Moderator)
Any republican running for president has to give "oral pleasure" to the NRA.
By that I mean - say what the NRA want to hear.
Couldn't actually believe a surgeon said that though.
Does his statement translate to - the right to buy guns outweighs the right to life.
The civilized world is stunned.
 
#7 ·
He said something along the line the victims should have charged the shooter since he could not have killed them all. That isn't a quote, but close to it. What a total ass! And Trump is defending him ;-(
 
#11 ·
Make no mistake, Ben Carson is not my guy, but not for this reason…..I believe he said that HE would have charged the gunman…..I have to say, I would like to think I would do the same…..however…...NO ONE can say what they would do until they have stood in the other man's shoes…..it is easy to sound off what you would or should do, but until you have been there it's just noise.

But by saying that he has taken serious flack…isn't that exactly what the guy that was shot 7 times did? Isn't he a hero?

Carson has taken some serious shots here lately, which I guess is only part of rising in the polls. That professor/activist that called him the possible ** of the year was the worst. When people say things like that they need to realize that can cause a sympathy alligence for him, but anyone that would say that can not be anything but angry anyway.
Just my .02

Just my .02
 
#12 · (Edited by Moderator)
+1 Moke
He said something along the line the victims should have charged the shooter since he could not have killed them all. That isn t a quote, but close to it. What a total ass! And Trump is defending him ;-(

- TopamaxSurvivor
What he said is:

"I would not just stand there and let him shoot me," - "I would say: 'Hey, guys, everybody attack him! He may shoot me, but he can't get us all.'"

the outrage is phony

So what is wrong with his approach?
Versus:
Stand up, state your religion and be shot in the head without argument is somehow a better approach?

As others say nobody really knows for sure what they would do locked in the classroom with a nutcase…. but we do seem to teach early on to never resist and never fight back…. so people stand and are slaughtered.

People should fight back - - like when they subdue the passenger charging the cockpit in March.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/accounts-airline-passenger-subdued-after-rushing-toward-cockpit-on-dulles-flight/2015/03/17/4ed16614-cc94-11e4-8a46-b1dc9be5a8ff_story.html
Again this past July
http://mashable.com/2015/07/22/passenger-detained/#xpg6FxUFAZqr

People fighting back like United Flight 93 against teh hijackers

The brave people on the paris bound train when a nut comes in with an AK47 last month

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Sitting quietly and awaiting execution is not a plan.
 
#13 ·
I suppose you could say the same about millions of murdered in WWII, eh? Easy to say anything when you weren't there and have never been in a situation like that.

The is a woman who was having lunch with her parents in Luby's at Lileen, TX in 1991 who did not have her pistol with her that day. Her dad was the kind of guy to do something. He was shot and the SOB shot her mother as she cradled her dying husband.
 
#14 · (Edited by Moderator)
I suppose you could say the same about millions of murdered in WWII, eh? Easy to say anything when you weren t there and have never been in a situation like that.

The is a woman who was having lunch with her parents in Luby s at Lileen, TX in 1991 who did not have her pistol with her that day. Her dad was the kind of guy to do something. He was shot and the SOB shot her mother as she cradled her dying husband.

- TopamaxSurvivor
Sure is - -

you are right and I stated that you don't know what you would do.

If someone asked "WHAT WOULD YOU DO…. and held the microphone in front of you"....

Would you say you would fight back…. or say "I would stand and watch him shoot my friends and hope maybe his gun would jam before it was my turn"

WHat is the right answer?.... vs saying "i would fight back" is somehow the WRONG answer and they are (in your words "a total ass")

The idea that fighting back doesnt guarantee your survival (like the Luby's example) is still a better approach than to stand and just be executed.
Of course the story skipped the actuality for Ms Hupp.

Hupp and her parents were having lunch at the Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen in 1991 when a mass shooting took place. The gunman shot 44 people in all, killing 24 of them, including himself. The fatally wounded included both of Hupp's parents. Hupp later expressed regret about deciding to remove her gun from her purse and lock it in her car, lest she risk possibly running afoul of the state's concealed weapons laws; during the shootings, she reached for her weapon but then remembered that it was "a hundred feet away in my car."
 
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I suppose you could say the same about millions of murdered in WWII, eh? Easy to say anything when you weren t there and have never been in a situation like that.

The is a woman who was having lunch with her parents in Luby s at Lileen, TX in 1991 who did not have her pistol with her that day. Her dad was the kind of guy to do something. He was shot and the SOB shot her mother as she cradled her dying husband.

- TopamaxSurvivor

Sure is - -

you are right and I stated that you don t know what you would do.

If someone asked "WHAT WOULD YOU DO…. and held the microphone in front of you"....

Would you say you would fight back…. or say "I would stand and watch him shoot my friends and hope maybe his gun would jam before it was my turn"

WHat is the right answer?.... vs saying "i would fight back" is somehow the WRONG answer and they are (in your words "a total ass")

The idea that fighting back doesnt guarantee your survival (like the Luby s example) is still a better approach than to stand and just be executed.
Of course the story skipped the actuality for Ms Hupp.

Hupp and her parents were having lunch at the Luby s Cafeteria in Killeen in 1991 when a mass shooting took place. The gunman shot 44 people in all, killing 24 of them, including himself. The fatally wounded included both of Hupp s parents. Hupp later expressed regret about deciding to remove her gun from her purse and lock it in her car, lest she risk possibly running afoul of the state s concealed weapons laws; during the shootings, she reached for her weapon but then remembered that it was "a hundred feet away in my car."

- DrDirt
The story was for reference of the event. I could not find the interview with the daughter.

Carson, Trump, et al should just pass without comment rather than criticize the victims. That may not be what they think they are doing but that is the way it comes across to the public at large. The media commentators do not help the situation trying to stir up sensationalism.
 
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Carson, Trump, et al should just pass without comment rather than criticize the victims. That may not be what they think they are doing but that is the way it comes across to the public at large. The media commentators do not help the situation trying to stir up sensationalism.

- TopamaxSurvivor
Really - - - given that the current president is jumping on the PR trip to propose new laws, and heaven forbid - - - to follow the Australian model of confiscation. like in 1996…

The idea that during a campaign, the press would choose NOT to ask the republicans about the latest shooting?

On what freaking planet would that be?

I'm sure Barry will not politicize the event during his visit tomorrow to Oregon…. and you say NOTHING about Hillary commenting about taking gun control via executive order if elected.

Just the Republican candidates shoudl 'pass' on such questions…... MMMM right!!! Got it….. NO!
 
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Barry will definitely take full advantage of the situation and will most likely be as disgusting as the other side.

"The idea that during a campaign, the press would choose NOT to ask the republicans about the latest shooting?"

Of course they will ask and and try to provoke as much controversy as possible. That doesn't mean one should accommodate them and insult the victims families immediately after the tragedy. Maybe wait a few weeks?
 
#18 · (Edited by Moderator)
Barry will definitely take full advantage of the situation and will most likely be as disgusting as the other side.

"The idea that during a campaign, the press would choose NOT to ask the republicans about the latest shooting?"

Of course they will ask and and try to provoke as much controversy as possible. That doesn t mean one should accommodate them and insult the victims families immediately after the tragedy. Maybe wait a few weeks?

- TopamaxSurvivor
Still - - - what is the reality? Espeically when people are trying to get ANY attention they can to show up on the radar against trump

Billary and Bernie are doing the same crap

With 20 candidates milling around…. "ask me next week" wont work. Quite the opposite, they would be seen as 'dodging the issue… or not showing 'Leadership' '

Not saying you are wrong…. just that the circus elections have become doesn't allow it.
 
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Yep Bernie's response was the most level….

"The American people are horrified by these never-ending mass shootings. Our hearts go out to the families and friends of the innocent victims," he said. "As a nation, we must do everything we can to put an end to this awful epidemic of senseless slaughter.

"We need a comprehensive approach. We need sensible gun-control legislation which prevents guns from being used by people who should not have them," Sanders said. "We must greatly expand and improve our mental health capabilities so individuals and families can get the psychological help then need when they need it. We also have to tone down the incredibly high level of gratuitous violence which permeates our media.

"The shouting at each other must end. The hard work of developing good policy must begin," he said.
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What I would like to see is one of these jackwagons with thier "plan" answer how VERY PRECISELY - - their plan would have prevented the latest massacre.
All this crap about gun show loopholes (fallacy) and online purchases… or "buying a gun is easier than buying groceries" (obama) is irrelevant to the issue.

deranged people that are hell bent on mass murder, and have no intention of 'escape - - or getting away' will do it.

He could just have easily gone to the classroom with a "Boston Marathon" bomb and killed everyone in the room, not just 9 people.

WHere did the whacko get an AK47 in Amsterdam to board the train with?
 
#21 ·
Bernie supports the 2nd Amendment. He could not be elected from Vermont if he didn't. With that said, I'm not sure he has made any specific proposals.

Certainly doing something about the mentally ill that were kicked out on the streets in the 80s would be a good place to start.

Anyone with a gallon of gas and a lighter can do more horrendous damage without a doubt. The shooter was looking for a "safe campus" to attack. It has been reported that he chose UCC because the security is unarmed.

IMO, one needs to be prepared to meet force with overwhelming force.
 
#22 · (Edited by Moderator)
Bernie supports the 2nd Amendment. He could not be elected from Vermont if he didn t. With that said, I m not sure he has made any specific proposals.

IMO, one needs to be prepared to meet force with overwhelming force.

- TopamaxSurvivor
Agree - - but there are many anti gun zealots that are simply itching to start massive gun control and "not let a crisis go to waste"

We need to do something… but I don't know what would prevent this. I think any hair brained proposals need to specifically show how the law (assuming it is enforced) would have changed anything.

THis guy went into the local gun store… and passed his background check (oregon has COMPREHENSIVE background checks).... he didn't order from a sears catalog like Lee Harvey Oswald…. He didn't steal the weapons, they werent' from a gun show.
This had nothing to do with magazine capacity… or any of the other "evil attributes" brain dead libs that think the NRA is responsible for all shootings in the country want to claim.

Getting Diane Feinstein to "Author common sense gun legislation" is akin to asking Ted Cruz to write 'common sense limitations on abortion'.

You don't send out the most outspoken zealots to write laws that will have any agreement from across the aisle.

Gun control and abortion are very similar.
I suspect a lot of folks that are pro Roe v wade, really had issues with D&X abortions (partial birth)... but it is vocally opposed because they KNOW that once you get those first restrictions in, you have a wedge to push for more and more stringent laws. so they scream 'war on women' etc.

Same with guns. People recognize the need for change but don't trust washington politicians to NOT create the slippery slope.

Diane Feinstein - told everyone on 60 minutes how "if she thought she had the votes she would demand Mr. amd Mrs american TURN THEM ALL IN

SHE was chosed to write the last bill that Joe Manchin D- West Virginia and others stopped.
 
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There is little doubt that every restriction passed is just a step towards the ultimate goal of confiscation; therefore, the NRA has no choice but to oppose everything. Here in WA the voters passed an initiative that was supposed to close all the loop holes. It is so onerous, most law enforcement opposed it. This is a community property state where all the assets of a marriage are held in common; except for handguns since this law passed. 60 days after the death of a spouse, the surviving spouse can unknowingly become a felon if they are not aware of the law. Perfect time of life for the b@$t@rd$ to take advantage of the situation. And, they will. Extracting assets from law abiding citizens is much easier than catching and convicting criminals.

In times of national emergency, the deer hunters of PA alone would be one of the largest standing armies in the world. Add in a few more rural states and America will never be occupied by a foreign invader. The Chinese may cut off electronic parts for high tech weapon systems, but they couldn't occupy us, US. The Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto held off the German army for 6 months with half a dozen pistols. The Nazis thought they were disarmed and they were, except for those few handguns. Having run roughshod over much of Europe with minimal opposition, they weren't really ready or wiling to face resistance.

I was 16 when my dad sent my brother and I around one side of the barn with our shotguns to stop hay stack burners while he went around the the other side. There was enough moonlight the b@$t@rd$ saw dad coming and left. There was no way a couple sheriff's deputies could protect 1,000 square miles of farm land. After a few years of hay stack fires, the farmers organized and blocked the nearest intersection if they saw smoke. They never caught the arsonists, but the fires stopped immediately!

There is no doubt a Gun Free America would be far worse than the Drug Free America we have experienced over the last 40 years. Criminals will have free reign with impunity. If I had any confidence in police and courts establishing law and order, I might change my opinions. The odds are "0" to none until personal responsibility and accountability is restored.
 
#24 ·
The NRA has to be bloated with pride, especially with the drive-bys in Cincinnati that killed the latest child! Takes a real man to kill small children, who must have been a serious threat to their manhood.
 
#25 · (Edited by Moderator)
Topa - -

The state will probably go after teh widow's house under civil forfeiture since she is deemed a 'gun runner'

Don't forget the door to door confiscation of guns in New Orleans following Hurricane Katrina. While the looters went wild, the people that owned guns had their doors kicked in.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/24/a-decade-later-remember-new-orleans-gun-confiscation-can-and-has-happened-in-america/

Video of the process for little old ladies (1:30 )


But yeah "NOBODY is coming for your guns or your right to defend your home"
 
#26 ·
Topa, your right on the money. In all my years I've never seen a parked car get in an accident. As I recall it took somebody to operate the car improperly for it to get in an accident. I've got loads of friends with guns. I've never seen their guns in the rack shoot any one. It seems it takes someone to operate it improperly for someone to get shot. As I recall from my 23 years in law enforcement the driver of the car was held responsible for their operation of the car not the car. I guess personal responsibility is selective in the liberal Democrat mindset.
 
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