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Brian Havens

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12-03-2009 01:08 AM

Topic tags/keywords: scraping card scraper question

I have been doing some research on topics for new videos, and I may need a reality check on one topic: card scrapers. I am under the impression that the reason many folks do not use card scrapers has nothing to to with the virtues of using scrapers, and has more to do with some barrier to using the card scraper, perhaps because they have tried and have been unsuccessful, or perhaps because the whole subject seems rather intimidating and mystical. Am I on track here? If you do not use card scrapers, is there some barrier keeping you from using them? Or if you started using them at some point, what got you over the threshold?

I ask because I want to do a video on card scrapers, but I do not want to simple regurgitate what is already available. Instead, I am more interested in removing the barriers that keep folks from using them, and motivating folks to try card scrapers.

Let me know.

—B

-- Brian Havens, Woodworker http://brianhavens.com


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SNSpencer

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#1 posted 12-03-2009 01:43 AM

I tried for a bit but my results were less than rewarding. I am pretty sure I was doing it wrong.

Barriers for me:
Keeping the piece from becoming “cupped” when using a scraper.
Slipping and beveling an edge of a piece of work.
Bringing and inlay flush with the surface (I currently use a sander for this, sometimes a plane)

Hope that helps…

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Padre

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#2 posted 12-03-2009 01:49 AM

I have found I achieve better results using a plane.

To me, card scrapers are really high maintenance for a short “sharpness life.” I also cut my knuckles quite a bit scraping with them.

-- Chip -----------http://www.penmanchip.com-----------------Micah 6:8

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#3 posted 12-03-2009 01:50 AM

The first time I had ever heard of a card scraper was just last week on this site. I believe it was Todd Clippinger (I hope I didn’t mangle the name too bad). What is it used for? I mean, is it supposed to replace a plane, be used for glue excess, or like SNS says, bringing an inlay flush?

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#4 posted 12-03-2009 01:58 AM

I’ve never had much use for one that I know of….(most likely out of habit then due to any antagonism towards them) I use different scrapers when lathe turning….and on flat stuff I go to the trusty plane and then sanders. I’ve read a few things now and then on the card type scrapers…but just haven’t found the need to incorporate them in my arsenal….

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Craftsman on the lake

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#5 posted 12-03-2009 02:09 AM

I have and like scrapers but I’m still using window pane glass.

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westside

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#6 posted 12-03-2009 02:43 AM

I just bought one at woodcraft last week. I have been practicing with it for a little while. It seems to give a nice smooth feel and look to the wood. it takes time to master it I guess. For now though I will keep practicing.

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eastside

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#7 posted 12-03-2009 02:53 AM

OK I’m going to jump in here and probably rub some of you the wrong way. I have never used a card scraper without putting a hook on the edge and infact I never heard of not putting a hook on until I joined this site. So when I seen that a lot of fellow L J don’t use a hook I just had to try it. Well for me it didn’t work at all. I mean I was really disappointed. Maybe I’ve been using a hook so long that I’m used to the aggressiveness of it (if I card scraper can actually be aggressive). So to answer your question, maybe someone trying it for the first time without a hook will not get the results they hoped for. Just a thought.

-- Mike, Westport MA.

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bigike

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#8 posted 12-03-2009 03:03 AM

when i firs saw them David Marks was useing them and the wood seemed to rool up during use i thought cool that must be real sharp to do that and mabee easy to resharpen too.then i got a set and found out everything i saw on TV was not like that unless u tune it up so then i found info on tuning them (sharpening) and figured hey that sounds easy enough so i tried it but no luck so i tried again still nothing then i put them down for awhile and saw some more info with a guy just useing a file to sharpen them so i tried this too with no luck then after getting fed up i made my own method all i did was use a file flaten the faces then the edge then used a burnisher a rod type to draw the burr out and finnished with a veritas burnisher adj. to 7.2 deg. or about there and bingo i got it now i use them on some projects depends what im doing though like scraping away the wax from turning stock before i mill it on other machines or hand planes and when i have to bring an inlay down to the surface i get it close then i sand the rest mainly for delacate stuff is what i use them for in my shop.

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MedicKen

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#9 posted 12-03-2009 03:08 AM

I use them sparingly. They burn my thumbs…..lol

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CharlieM1958

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#10 posted 12-03-2009 03:15 AM

It definitely takes some practice to sharpen a scraper properly (with a hook), and develop the right technique to get satisfying results. I like using them now in certain situations, but I can’t say they have replaced sandpaper in my shop.

Anyone interested in getting started with scrapers might want to look at this set from Lee Valley. It has everything you need, and makes proper sharpening pretty simple.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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thiel

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#11 posted 12-03-2009 03:30 AM

Never used one. The idea of the sound of SCCCCCCCCCCRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPEE!!!!! makes the hair on my neck stand on end. :-)

-- Laziness minus Apathy equals Efficiency

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#12 posted 12-03-2009 03:31 AM

Compared to sanding you need to have the proper supporting tools to sharpen, master sharpening techniques and then the techniques of using the scraper. I think you have to be motivated to get all 3 done and have that aligned with actual project need.

Sounds like your planes solve some of the issues above (burned thumbs and cupping)

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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rtb

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#13 posted 12-03-2009 03:35 AM

I normally stock and use sandpaper for my ros up through 1500. So what does a scraper have for me ?

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#14 posted 12-03-2009 03:37 AM

No dust and probably speed…

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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doorslammer

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#15 posted 12-03-2009 04:07 AM

I’ve recently got my first set and after reviewing all the videos and articles I could find, I did not find it very difficult to produce a burr that would produce nice shavings, but I am a little disappointed in how quickly they seem to dull and need to be re-burnished. Also not sure how many times I can get away with re-burnishing before having to back to the stones.

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