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MathieuTN

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10-05-2015 03:06 PM

Topic tags/keywords: table saw fence not aligned

Well to put it out there I’m a complete newbie to woodworking on this level. I’ve done some projects, but mostly out of necessity. Almost all of those have been basic carpentry with little skill needed.

So long story short I took the plunge and had Woodcraft show up with a trailer full of new tools. I’ve been trying to get everything setup in my shop the last few days, and I’ve hit one snag that irks me….

My table saw is a General 50-200r M1 with router table attached straight off the showroom floor. I’ve tried to setup the fence and have it square to the blade and to the miter slots. What is not lining up okay is the fence sitting flush to the table. I’ve got a 1/4” gap at the in feed side and a 1/32” gap on the out feed under the fence. The guy from woodcraft said that it is normal. I have checked the table itself and it is straight and level. I’ve lowered the fence to the absolute bottom, and tried adjusting. I am at a loss. Any suggestions from the tried and true fellas?


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ForestGrl

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#1 posted 10-05-2015 03:40 PM

No, not normal. I would have a chat with the manager, and expect themto send someone out to fix it (if they can’t troubleshoot it over the phone). You’re the kind of customer they should give thanks for in November!

-- My mother said that anyone learning to cook needed a large dog to eat the mistakes. As a sculptor of wood I have always tried to keep a fireplace. (Norman Ridenour)

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#2 posted 10-05-2015 04:20 PM

While 1/4” is way too much, it is actually normal to have a gap under the fence to allow sawdust to travel away. It might be that the fence is riding too high on one side and that is causing the large difference in the heights. Certainly the manufacturer will be able to tell you if the fence is designed to ride at these very different heights. After talking to the manufacturer, you may need to go back to Woodcraft and demand they either fix or replace the fence.

-- Talent, brilliance, and humility are my virtues.

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ForestGrl

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#3 posted 10-05-2015 07:41 PM



While 1/4” is way too much, it is actually normal to have a gap under the fence to allow sawdust to travel away. It might be that the fence is riding too high on one side and that is causing the large difference in the heights. Certainly the manufacturer will be able to tell you if the fence is designed to ride at these very different heights. After talking to the manufacturer, you may need to go back to Woodcraft and demand they either fix or replace the fence.

- HornedWoodwork

Yes, and to allow the fence to be slid easily for adjustment. Good suggestion to talk to the manufacturer, though the manager of the store certainly should have enough experience with “his” tool to start there. A 1/4” gap anywhere between table and bottom of the fence is, IMHO, not safe. I set my Unifence by sliding an 24” aluminum ruler underneath it and tightening it at that height above the table—just enough to slide easily, but not so high as to trap even a 3/16” piece of plywood.

-- My mother said that anyone learning to cook needed a large dog to eat the mistakes. As a sculptor of wood I have always tried to keep a fireplace. (Norman Ridenour)

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#4 posted 10-05-2015 07:42 PM

I think you need to adjust the height of the fence rails.

-- Nicholas

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#5 posted 10-05-2015 07:44 PM



[Snip] My table saw is a General 50-200r M1 with router table attached straight off the showroom floor. I ve tried to setup the fence and have it square to the blade and to the miter slots. What is not lining up okay is the fence sitting flush to the table. I ve got a 1/4” gap at the in feed side and a 1/32” gap on the out feed under the fence. The guy from woodcraft said that it is normal. I have checked the table itself and it is straight and level. I ve lowered the fence to the absolute bottom, and tried adjusting. I am at a loss. Any suggestions from the tried and true fellas?

- MathieuTN

Did you pay full price for the saw? If so, and there seems to be no solution to this problem, you deserve a new-in-crate machine. If you got a discount for a “floor model,” still reasonable that it should get fixed. Have fun with your new tools, would love to see some pics!!

-- My mother said that anyone learning to cook needed a large dog to eat the mistakes. As a sculptor of wood I have always tried to keep a fireplace. (Norman Ridenour)

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#6 posted 10-05-2015 07:59 PM

The fence on that saw might not of been adjusted correctly at the store. It looks like it has aluminum extrusions on the side and they probably are held on by t-nuts on the backside. You might flip it over and loosen the back nuts up just a tad then turn it over and stick a shim under the extrusions and tap down to where you want. Tighten the nuts back after you get it shimmed to about 3/32”.

-- "Tying shoelaces was way harder than learning to Whistle",,,,,member MWTCA area K. Kentucky

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MathieuTN

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#7 posted 10-06-2015 12:21 AM

The General Rep is coming by the house Friday to check out the saw. I am hoping it all comes together soon.

On another note with the same saw I realized somehow when I was trying to rip plywood sheets it would bind up at the riving knife. The rep told me that the Freud blade may be too thin for that particular riving knife. He is going to bring my another knife as well.

Thanks for all your replies. I will let you know how it turns out. Worst case I’m sending it back and buying the Powermatic.

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bondogaposis

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#8 posted 10-06-2015 01:25 AM

I think you need to adjust the height of the fence rails.

Bingo!

-- Bondo Gaposis

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MathieuTN

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#9 posted 10-06-2015 12:48 PM

The fence rail is a bolt on with threads. No movement in any direction. I’ve explored that option.

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nicksmurf111

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#10 posted 10-06-2015 01:22 PM

I’ve never heard of a fence rail without a little up-and-down adjustment. There may be some adjustment in the T-Head, but I’m not sure.

-- Nicholas

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ForestGrl

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#11 posted 10-07-2015 12:39 AM



The General Rep is coming by the house Friday to check out the saw. I am hoping it all comes together soon.

On another note with the same saw I realized somehow when I was trying to rip plywood sheets it would bind up at the riving knife. The rep told me that the Freud blade may be too thin for that particular riving knife. He is going to bring my another knife as well.

Thanks for all your replies. I will let you know how it turns out. Worst case I m sending it back and buying the Powermatic.

- MathieuTN

Which Powermatic are you considering? I’m couch-surfing during the baseball game tonight, and have glanced at a few reviews and forum write-ups/questions about the General 50-200. Can’t say any of them were Sterling Reviews, and there seem to be reservations about the fence in particular. Might be interesting to compare it to whichever Powermatic your had your eyes on.

-- My mother said that anyone learning to cook needed a large dog to eat the mistakes. As a sculptor of wood I have always tried to keep a fireplace. (Norman Ridenour)

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