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11-30-2009 05:12 PM

hello all .

i’ve been here for 8 months now ,
and have loved LJ’s as my favorite place to meet new woodworkers and friends .
in my 45 years as a woodworker / carpenter , i have done and seen allot of amazing things ,
and met allot of interesting people !
somehow time and place have made us all move on .
i don;t even know where these folks are anymore .

recently i have noticed an alarming shift in some common human decency’s here .

for some reason , some comments have turned sour and abusive !

this is not a race or a contest , we presumably come here to share ? not to win !

the world around us is , as always going thru new changes .
does this give us the right to get mad ? and lash out ?

life has taught me to be courteous , to be thoughtful of others .
do i lose my place if i hold a door for someone ? or stop and give a hand ?

there are those that want to change LJ’s by making new members post in a certain way ,
or not comment , if some one has said the same thing already .
i know that i have many times answered a question first , only to find that 5 others
answered the same post at the same time and beat me .
or those that expect Martin to do things their way and ” fix ” something .
he may be the ’ father ’ of LJ’s , but most of us could be his dad in years .


the day after thanksgiving , i looked at my homepage to see how to leave this site !
i don’t need the snide remarks or the negative p.m.’s .

i came here to learn from fellow woodworkers and accomplished humans ,
not to prove that i am better or smarter than anyone !


what do you want ?


as always , comments and responses are welcome .

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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#1 posted 11-30-2009 05:18 PM

David, I don’t know who has been snide to you but, I hope you will try to ingore them and stay around. I always enjoy your posts. I have already lost one good friend that quit because of some rude knothead. I don’t want to see another great guy leave. Please hang in. We need to keep the good guys around

-- Gary, DeKalb Texas only 4 miles from the mill

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#2 posted 11-30-2009 05:18 PM

Patron, I haven’t really read the comments you’re talking about , but Amen to your thoughts.

There’s enough “crap” going on in the world without leaving some of it on this website, one of the best around. Even though I don’t post too often, I sure enjoy looking at the fine projects and excellent woodworking tips that are shared on LJ.

Merry Christmas to All!

-- Steve, Carrollton, TX

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#3 posted 11-30-2009 05:23 PM

I am truely sorry about your experience David BUT don’t let them win by driving you away. You are a breath of fresh air on this site. Try what I do and what I try to teach my kids when someone is mean to them….”just let it roll off you like water on a duck’s back”. Hang in there buddy.

-- --It's not how long you live, but how you live that makes it a life.--

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#4 posted 11-30-2009 05:26 PM

Amen to that,
and Peace.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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#5 posted 11-30-2009 05:36 PM

David, there are always people that have the idea of “I’ll show them how it’s supposed to be done”. They are usually new. They also don’t know what they don’t know yet. We just seem to have a bunch at the same time. Hopefully when they learn some more, they’ll be less snippy and more considerate. Please don’t leave, you’ll be missed. LJs and the world can always use another nice person. Guess the rest of us need to work harder on being playing well together.

-- Karen - a little bit of stupid goes a long way

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#6 posted 11-30-2009 05:37 PM

sorry to hear that your having troubles with some of the other members, that will happen when people get bored. Or maybe there just jealous because they saw the rosewood you got through LJs. but please don’t let the few a@%holes on here drive you away. you would be missed.

-- Roper - Master of sawdust-

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#7 posted 11-30-2009 05:40 PM

David, I know some of this is about me and I sent you a PM to apologize. I hope not to be so sensitive in the future, I think Grizzman hit it on the head when he said we can’t see each other and not seeing each others faces sometimes you don’t know how to take what someone has said. I know you enough to know that what you say is innocent and without any hidden meaning. I explained that I am on hormone therapy that made me act stupid sometimes. I can’t explain it any better than that. If your leaving has anything to do with what I said the other day I apologize and want you to stay very much. Like I said before I think a certain someone that has left the site, made us all feel uncomfortable. I think things are ok now.

-- (You just have to please the man in the Mirror) Mike from Michigan -

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#8 posted 11-30-2009 05:40 PM

I personally have not had this specific problem with LJ’s but I have seen some comments to others from the posting police. Let me start by saying that if I need an answer to a specific question then I try to search for it before posting. But, I have seen this type of police mentality go bad before. I used to do lawn care part time and frequented a high visibility lawn care site. Eventually, folks started bashing people every time they asked a question becuase it had already been answered somewhere in the forum history. After a while it became a place where people couldn’t talk and learn about lawn care anymore just post about “You’ll never believe what happened to me today.” type stuff.

In my opinion, it is the new guys asking questions (yes, I’m one of them) that make the site educational and worth visiting, rather than just being the coffee shop for guys who happen to already know everything about woodworking.

-- "Never measure......cut as many times as necessary." - PeteMoss

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#9 posted 11-30-2009 05:46 PM

thanks everyone .
i decided that losing my new friends ,
and all of the wonderful ( and different ) work i see here ,
would be like throwing out all the apples because of some rotting ones !

i’m not leaving , just learning .


-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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#10 posted 11-30-2009 05:48 PM

Considering the number of people using this site, I find that the unpleasantness factor is very, very low. People will always have their issues. And to clean up the old saying “Opinions are like %$%$^#.... everybody’s got one.” I’ve occasionally voiced mine, but I have no problem with Martin running things the way he sees fit.

I don’t know what kind of unpleasant pm’s you’ve received, David, but I’ve never had a problem with that. Personally, it doesn’t bother me if a thread gets a little argumentative from time to time. If it gets too nasty, I’ll just stop reading it.

All in all, I couldn’t be happier to be part of such a great group of ladies and gentlemen.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#11 posted 11-30-2009 05:51 PM

This group is like a small version of the world outside of it.

Just ignore and stay away from the people that you don’t like.

It works in both worlds.

-- Gary - Never pass up the opportunity to make a mistake look like you planned it that way - Tyler, TX

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#12 posted 11-30-2009 05:57 PM

I have been on the site a bit longer than you and while I have seen a few exchanges I though were a bit personal and insulting I’m not aware of the general degradation you are sensing. I have found the pendulum always swings back and forth but it usually spends more time in the middle than the extremes. We just have to over look the bad times and enjoy the good ones. Hang in there!

-- Les B, Oregon

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Roger Clark aka Rex

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#13 posted 11-30-2009 05:57 PM

You are one of the mainstays here, well liked and have great knowledge you share freely. If someone ticks you off then just ignore it like others do.
It just seems to me that you have suffered a temporary PMS ….. so cool the hot flash and let’s keep going.
CharlieM1958 is right.

-- Roger-R, Republic of Texas. "Always look on the Bright Side of Life" - An eyeball to eyeball confrontation with a blind person is as complete waste of Time.

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#14 posted 11-30-2009 05:59 PM

glad to see that you are not leaving, I would miss your posts, and your jawing around with Lazy Larry. I have seen some negativeness from time to time, I choose to ignore it, and it eventually goes away.
there are too many great people on here to give it up.

-- Smitty!!!

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#15 posted 11-30-2009 06:00 PM

I am fairly new to being a forum member. What I do now is that what people write to be read can be interpreted differently by different readers. Forums lack input for our brains to interpret a message ie facial expressions, tone and inflection of voice…..
I always try to keep an open mind to written comments, thinking that it might not be what it reads like or what the poster intended. (Not to imply you’re not open minded by any means) Oops, see what I mean ?

I understand you have had more direct issues, cast them aside….and know you are a valuable member to LJ’s.
The world can be a vicious place; survived only by those who know who their real friends are.

Back to the shop my friend,


-- Imagination rules the world. ~ Napoleon Bonaparte ~

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