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BlankMan

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11-30-2009 05:46 AM

My truck died 40+ miles from home on the way to my nephews house. Cruising along at 60 on a State Highway, felt a minor lurch, then no power. Tach stayed up around 1500 but giving it gas had no effect. Hit the 4-way flashers and coasted to the side. Luckily I was only about 8 miles from my nephews so he grabbed a tow strap and hopped in his truck and we towed it over to his place. But it’s dead. Tries to start, but it won’t stay running for more then 10-15 seconds, and very rough. Called the dealer, got connected to their emergency tow service, waited 3 hours for them to arrive, but now it’s sitting at the dealer. I hope. ;) Not a good way to start out the week.

I’m thinking it’s the fuel pump from the way it was acting and that’s in the gas tank. Not going to be cheap. Then by the time my nephew got there and we towed it to his place the battery was dead from having the flashers going and the ignition on, probably didn’t need to have it on though. Rolled down the window to hand signal a left turn, cuz we were on a State Highway, couldn’t get it back up. It’s 40 degrees here and that was cold. And me with no jacket because hey, I’m in the truck it’s warm. Me bad. No power brakes and no power steering and keeping tension on the tow strap, it was a tense ride. Don’t want to do that often. Oh and did I mention we hit 50 at times? Remember I wasn’t driving per se. I felt my rotors when we got to my nephews, they were too hot to touch. I figured they might be.

Maybe it’s Miller Time, but for all the wrong reasons. ;)

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI


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#1 posted 11-30-2009 05:49 AM

It could be the fuel pump, but it could also just be a plugged up fuel filter. Good luck.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#2 posted 11-30-2009 05:51 AM

I so hope it’s not the fuel filter, that would upset me. Because the new one is sitting on the back seat… But you could be right.

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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#3 posted 11-30-2009 06:14 AM

There will be days!! :-((

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#4 posted 11-30-2009 06:29 AM

I knew it was miller time hours ago. With 6 gone now, it’s 8:30. time for coffee because I have to work tomorrow. I feel your pain. I also feel like going out into the garage and making some noise. But I don’t know if that’s a good idea either. Once a bad day starts it doesn’t end until the day is over. Maybe it’s over, maybe its not. 50/50 chance I’ll screw something up if I start. Is it worth it? Maybe. Maybe not. Lets let the beer decide. LOL. Have a happy day.

-- ~ Inspiring those who inspire me ~

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PurpLev

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#5 posted 11-30-2009 04:21 PM

sorry to hear that… car problems always suck.

not having a good day either. as Keith said – better let this day pass than take any chances.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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BlankMan

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#6 posted 11-30-2009 04:48 PM

Yeah vehicle problems are a pain those I can take in stride. It’s the not close to home stuck out on some back country road that really adds to it. Being such a mobile society that we are when that all of a sudden is taken away one can feel lost.

Well the jury’s in, it was the fuel pump, $1238 including the tow. Merry Christmas to me I guess. ;) Just the way things go. I could do it myself, my nephew texted me and offered to do it today too and he’s fully capable as am I, but at this point I don’t feel like dicking around with it, just git-r-done.

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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#7 posted 11-30-2009 06:46 PM

I hear you Curt. I have a 99 custom Chevy Silverado. All the bells and wistles. Lift kit, big tires, ram air, etc. Its been a blast to drive, but the cost of maintenance has been a nightmare. Despite all the custom work, I have put a new tranny in it, replaced the engine, and yes the fuel pump too along with many other things. But, its my baby…wouldnt part with it despite going bankrupt running it. :-)

I had one of those days a few years ago. I was at the tire shop fitting new wheels and tires. After ordering and paying $2000 for the tires and wheels, I left the shop and went out on the freeway heading home. Got about 6 blocks down the freeway and the transmission went out.

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-- Wayne - Plymouth MN

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#8 posted 11-30-2009 08:51 PM

Kinda makes you wish you were still driving the old Pinto eh?

-- Dave- New Brunswick

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BlankMan

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#9 posted 11-30-2009 09:30 PM

Wayne, nice looking truck. You have the pushbutton 4WD tranny with the Auto 4WD? Just wondering because that’s what I have in my Sierra and I dread ever having to repair that. It’s nice on wet and slippery roads but all that complexity worries me. My Sierra is a 2001 and about a year ago the gas gauge started going nuts but the dealer wanted close to $900 to fix it. I figured I could live with it. I was planning on doing it myself this past summer but never got around to it. Don’t know if I would have used my old fuel pump though, possibly so I’d still be in the same boat. But I did a lot of checking and found a lot, I mean a lot of people complaining about the fuel pumps in these trucks failing early, so I figured it was inevitable. Upside, my gas gauge ain’t floppin’ around no more, downside, I’m out $1370.

Dave, or a VW Bug. I used to build engines for the ones I had, shoulda seen the look on peoples faces when I blew their doors off. Yeah I hear ya, I could drop the engine in 45 minutes or less. Not no more.

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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#10 posted 11-30-2009 09:54 PM

Thanks Curt…I am sure our trucks are very similar. I belong to a custom Chevy/GMC truck site and everyone is always complaining about the defective gas gauges and fuel pumps. Mine did the very same thing. I had my sender unit changed with the fuel pump since they are both in the gas tank. Like you it was about a $1000 job. $75 for the part and the rest was labor since they had to remove the gas tank to fix it….nice engineering job GM. I worry about the electronics too….mine is the push button 4WD arrangement just like yours.

-- Wayne - Plymouth MN

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BlankMan

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#11 posted 11-30-2009 10:09 PM

Wayne, $75??? They just charged me $525 for the sending unit/fuel pump assembly. That’s why I didn’t have it done when it was only the sending unit. I looked around a while back and thought I saw you could buy the assembly minus the pump. I was thinking of doing that if I was going to do it but it probably would have been smarter to repalce the pump as long as I was dropping the tank. Procrastination bit me on this one. If I would have been told that they had corrected or improved the fuel pump at that time I might have opted to have the dealer do it when the sending unit was acting up. But GM will never admit a mistake and that hurts us and them. They’re worried they’d then land up paying for it and maybe they should, maybe they’d stop putting out crap then.

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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SnowyRiver

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#12 posted 11-30-2009 10:33 PM

Ha ha ha…you’re correct…the assembly I believe was around $480 here. I was just being sarcastic. I still think its dumb to put the assembly in the tank. The labor to replace it is crazy. I would have thought they could design a sender and pump that could be changed without pulling the tank. Another way to do it is to unbolt the box and slide it back for access to the tank. Thats a bit easier if you are doing it yourself.

My gauge was bouncing all over the place, then about two weeks after that started I got a service engine soon light. I took it in and it had an evap leak and they had to replace the pump and they replaced the sender for the gauge at the same time.

I dont think you can go into a GM dealer for work and come away with much less than a $1000 bill it seems. When they come out to talk to be about what needs to be done, its like meeting the grim reaper.

-- Wayne - Plymouth MN

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BlankMan

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#13 posted 11-30-2009 11:02 PM

NOT FUNNY! ;) Actually it was. And make the sending unit and/or pump replaceable, not the whole unit, think of the customer a bit, things are going to fail. Well at least the way GM makes them it seems.

I think there were a couple reasons why they started putting the pumps in the tank, at least this is what I’ve heard. Cooling. They rely on the gas to cool the pump. Explosion. If the pump is submersed in gas it can’t explode due to a spark because there’s no oxygen. But I have to ask if that’s true if the gas gets really really low. Maybe they shut off the pump when the level gets below keeping the pump submersed but that only works if the sending unit is working properly. Catch-22. :) Unless there’s a sensor in the pump too.

And they save on plumbing, less connections. If the pump is in the tank they don’t have to mount it and plumb it as if it were external. But that’s them thinking about their manufacturing costs.

That’s like my radio head, almost all the lights are burnt out. Went to get replacement bulbs when the first couple blew. Non-replaceable. But for $400 they’ll sell you a new head… I live with it.

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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#14 posted 11-30-2009 11:30 PM

Good points Curt…and then they wonder why they went bankrupt.

-- Wayne - Plymouth MN

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#15 posted 11-30-2009 11:47 PM

It’s no wonder. And I have no sympathy for them in that, all the millionaire executives, past and present should have used their own money, every last cent they had because they took it and ran, to bail GM out, not ours. They’re the ones that got it to that point. No accountability and they knew it and got away with it.

40+ years to make fuel efficient vehicles but instead relied on their cash cow SUV’s and when gas hit $4-$5 a gallon and everybody stopped buying them they were caught with their pants down and we had to bail them out. And all the people that lost their jobs because of that paid. Not right at all.

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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