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Betsy

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2505 days ago

Did anyone else notice the word “sexy” on the front of Popular Woodworking’s cover this month? Was anyone else astounded? It is a woodworking magazine after all. I like the magazine, but honestly, even wood finishing cannot be remotely sexy. I also noticed that it had to be a marketing genius who put it on the cover as Bob Flexner did not use the word his article that I noticed anyway.

I have to admit that I was a bit offended by the cover in that respect. Perhaps I am to sensitive, but I just don’t think I want sex, or sexy or sexual or anything even remotely connected with sex to be mixed in with my woodworking.

Just curious if anyone else noticed and got their ire up.

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WayneC

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#1 posted 2505 days ago

I normally do not pay that much attention. Did not even notice. I agree that the two concepts do not go together…

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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Thos. Angle

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#2 posted 2505 days ago

I guess I didn’t pay any attention either. Tell Chris Swartz. I think he’ll listen to your concerns. I too fail to see the connection.

-- Thos. Angle, Jordan Valley, Oregon

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Betsy

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#3 posted 2505 days ago

I might do that Thomas – I just can see the need for sex in saling woodproducts.

-- Like a bad penny, I keep coming back!

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WayneC

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#4 posted 2505 days ago

Also, you may want to send a PM to http://lumberjocks.com/jocks/PWGlen

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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#5 posted 2505 days ago

Didn’t notice either… I guess we’re becoming desensitized to such things anymore, not that I have a problem with the use of “sexy”. Sex yes. Sexy no.

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#6 posted 2505 days ago

I don’t mind sexy being used to describe a finish.

I have called more then one pork butt sexy after pulling it off the smoker.

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Douglas Bordner

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#7 posted 2505 days ago

Sensual might be a slightly better word to use, but to tell the truth I have used the word “sexy” to describe element of design. I think I’ll be a bit more accurate and circumspect in my choice of adjectives going forward.

-- "Bordnerizing" perfectly good lumber for over a decade.

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shaun

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#8 posted 2505 days ago

Doug and Josh are not alone here. I have to admit to being guilty of using the word sexy to describe a number of things. But I’ve always considered it to be complimentary, the thought never crossed my mind that someone might be bothered by it.

-- I've cut that board three times and it's still too short!

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#9 posted 2505 days ago

guilty as well
but I totally agree with you, Betsy. They are the media and as such contribute to our social makeup. The more we can stop this in the media the better. Not the place.

Thank you for being so aware!

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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Betsy

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#10 posted 2505 days ago

I may be to sensitive or maybe it’s a “woman thing” as my late father would say. I just don’t expect the word, the concept or the visions the word connotates to be associated with woodworking. Perhaps the word(s) are becoming like the word “love” – “I love your sweater” “I love the way you decorated your shop.”

As far as being complimentary – I can see it in some cases. “I think your eyes are sexy, etc.” but my finish job—- nah. I’d be more complimented to hear someone say “wow what a great finish” or “wow – I can’t get my finish that nice.” Something along that lines. If someone told me I had a sexy finish on a project I’d think they were up to something.

I just don’t know. Maybe I’m to old fashioned or to cold. Not sure which. But I can’t see “sexy” and woodworking together.

How many of you guys would really tell a woman her finish job is sexy? After all there are better pick up lines out there!!!!! Would you say that to another guy?

Still interested in other LJ’s thoughts. Perhaps you can educate me as to why I should not be bother with it! :-)

-- Like a bad penny, I keep coming back!

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mot

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#11 posted 2505 days ago

Sexy is innocuous. One of it’s common definitions is excitingly appealing; glamorous. My mother uses it as an adjective to describe just about anything. She’s 72 and a retiring medical specialist and by no means feels oppressed with the use of the word, when used in context. One of the big problems with an over sensitive yet desensitized society is that we take everything personally. So, excitingly appealing, to describe a woodworking finish? That works for me.

-- You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation. (Plato)

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Douglas Bordner

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#12 posted 2505 days ago

Again, not to condone a misappropriation of a word’s true meaning, but I think we can thank the Advertising business for the widened use of the term. Sex sells. Common items will have some sexual allusion connected to them because indeed the psyche (at least the male psyche) will hone in to a tighter focus on something that has sexual connotations. And if one is looking at a rack of WW magazines, you can bet your bottom dollar there is going to be augmented focus on that cover.

Be it German automobiles, shaving cream or chewing gum, the sex sells idea is commonly seen in the industry. It appeals to the way men have been hard-wired since the species began to propagate, and perhaps the advertising business is the second oldest profession. Is it right? No. Does it work…afraid so.

-- "Bordnerizing" perfectly good lumber for over a decade.

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#13 posted 2505 days ago

War is bad.
Hate is bad.
Bastardizing the mother tongue is bad.
Nit picking is bad.
... not necessarily in this order.

Bob

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

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mot

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#14 posted 2505 days ago

I guess because it’s not a misappropriation of the word’s true meaning, but a societal willingness to accept another meaning of the word out of context. No offense, Douglas, as I am in total agreement that the concept of “sex sells,” leaves me having to answer questions of my kids that I don’t think I should have to answer just yet…it’s just that, in this context, the sexy finish is something that attracts interest and attention…not sexually attractive. A woodworking finish cannot be seen as sexually attractive, but it can be seen as attracting interest and attention and in itself appealing. In the English language, I’m not sure the phrase, “true definition,” even applies here. By the context of the phrase, there is the implication that the definition that you hold true is the true one. If there are 4 or 5 definitions, which one is true? Is the first more true than the last? Or all they all true, when used in proper context?

Sorry, I hate getting into discussion like this in print. They are much better in person. I’m smiling and discussing this more from a position of curiosity and not with the intent of creating animosity.

Cheers!

-- You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation. (Plato)

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Betsy

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#15 posted 2504 days ago

Bob – you’re cool!!!

Tom – can’t say I like discussions like this in print either. They are much better in person, agree with you there. My big problem with being in print is my words are out there for the world to see and it just may cast the final vote that I really am off my rocker.

All that considered I still can’t put sexy and woodworking together. Just not a good fit, for any reason. I’d rather keep sexy with “O” magazine and keep Bob Flexner’s finishing tips solidly under woodworking.

-- Like a bad penny, I keep coming back!

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