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Forum topic by BlankMan posted 11-27-2009 01:18 AM 1653 views 0 times favorited 45 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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BlankMan

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11-27-2009 01:18 AM

I may be starting a flame war here but I hope not.

This is kind of a pet peeve of mine. Although I understand a long thread can be time consuming to read when it’s not done it can lead to things being repeated, and/or the wrong advice being given. I see this all to often. And when it happens I think to myself, that person doesn’t know what the heck he’s talking about. But I realize it’s probably due to the fact they didn’t take the time to read, and pay attention, to what was posted in the thread. The original post does not always contain all the information, lot of times more information is given which helps pin point the problem (if it is a problem), and sometimes something originally stated may not be correct.

Reading the OP and immediately posting a reply, in my opinion is a disservice the the person that started the thread and maybe others. I read the original post and even when I think I know the answer I read the whole thread because I know I don’t know everything and maybe I’m wrong and something further down might point that out to me or what I was going to say has already been said and there’s no reason to repeat it. I do that here and all the other forums I participate in. If the thread is too long and I don’t want to read the whole thing I refain from posting to it so I don’t repeat something already said or give the wrong advice. And I hope no one tries to justify this behavior by saying their time is too valuable to spend the time reading a long thread because my response would be, get over yourself. (Repeating something when you are agreeing with someone to fortify what was stated to me is not repeating but that’s not what I always see.)

I wish everyone had the courtesy to read the entire thread before jumping to conclusions but I know this ain’t never gonna happen. Oh if only it was a perfect world. :)

Oh and the other pet peeve is people that post once to a thread and run, never to be seen again, not wanting to participate in an ongoing conversation. I’ll save this one for a later date. (This mostly comes into play when someone has replied directly to them with a question per se and never gets a response. I know PM. But then the rest of the members don’t benefit from the answer and that is what we’re here for, to share information and experiences. I’ve seen this happen. I go back and check threads I’ve posted to for this very reason.)

There. I said it. I feel better now. Happy Thanksgiving.

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI


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#1 posted 11-27-2009 01:35 AM

Hey, it’s better to get these things out in the open than for someone to repeatedly offend or irritate you unintentionally so I have no problem with what you posted and I see your point. Of course since this is a rather long posting, the ones you intended this for probably won’t make it past the first paragraph. :)

-- Dale Manning, Carthage, NY

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#2 posted 11-27-2009 01:37 AM

have a very Happy Thanksgiving

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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BlankMan

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#3 posted 11-27-2009 01:37 AM

LOL You’re probably right. So then I quick thought, I should have split it up into multiple posts each one then shorter. DOH!

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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#4 posted 11-27-2009 01:39 AM

I read the first paragraph and hereby proclaim this whole post a good one. :)

-- "The way to make a small fortune in woodworking- start with a large one"

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#5 posted 11-27-2009 01:41 AM

your right, at times (usually at work) i have read the op and replied without reading all the other replies. that may result in duplicate information. i don’t answer any question that i do not have direct knowledge about, but there can be room for debate about any response..

in the future, i will not respond other then saying, “nice progect”

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DaleM

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#6 posted 11-27-2009 01:41 AM

Well, if anyone else is like me right now, they will have plenty of time to read. I’m so full and bloated from dinner that I’m sitting a the computer with my legs splayed out in front and leaning back as far as possible to take the pressure off my gut. I was cutting firewood into blanks and turning wooden eggs earlier, but unless my coffee really kicks in I might be done for the day.

-- Dale Manning, Carthage, NY

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#7 posted 11-27-2009 02:06 AM

I started to respond by making a joke about not reading your whole post because it was too long. But, luckily, I read the whole thread and saw that someone had already beaten me to the punch. :-)

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#8 posted 11-27-2009 03:29 AM

I totally agree with you..If I take the time to answer I usually read all the posts above mine. The frustration also works both ways…it can be annoying to the person who first posted the information that is now being repeated! I once answered somebody’s question, and somebody posted my same answer about two postings down from mine…so, that one you cant even chalk up to it being a long thread! I then posted “Is there an echo in here”?

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#9 posted 11-27-2009 04:27 AM

I usually use a 100 grit paper….

oh, wasn’t that the OPs question? my bad…

in general I agree with the OP. however, sometimes people don’t have the patience to read through 100 comments of which one of them might have the answer that the person is about to post. ideal? no, but I can see that happening.

Another point to consider is this – sometimes 2 people would comment with the same “answer” – BUT – using different words, or using a different take on the subject – and sometimes, the OP might relate to the 2nd of those replies, even though in essence, that answer was already given – but in a way the OP couldn’t relate to, or understand. and then again – if you hear a same answer twice – it sometimes strengthens the validity of that answer/solution.

to each their own, we are in the WWW space, where redundancy is sometimes a requirement. for better for worse – take what you need from this vast source of information, and leave the rest behind.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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#10 posted 11-27-2009 04:35 AM

I know sometimes I’ll read a thread, start typing my reply, then get sidetracked, or it will just take me a while to type up the reply and by the time I post it, a couple of people have already posted, possibly saying pretty much what I just said. That just happened to me a couple days ago on the post about the stopped dado not showing through the finger joints. There were absolutely no replies when I started, but by the time I posted there were two other comments. I guess I’m slow so I should hit refresh before I actually post.

-- Dale Manning, Carthage, NY

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#11 posted 11-27-2009 04:50 AM

whats this crap all about? o well cya! ...lol…jk just trying to piss you off :P well im definately not one of them cuz im bedrested still and im on this site on and off alllll day…haven’t got to touch my shop in about 2 months now. By the way you don’t have to say thx giving to me I digested the bird over a month ago. I’m CDN but happy thx giving to you..lol

-- My purpose in life: Making sawdust

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#12 posted 11-27-2009 05:04 AM

Guilty.

-- Todd A. Clippinger, Montana, http://americancraftsmanworkshop.com

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BlankMan

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#13 posted 11-27-2009 05:05 AM

Dale that’s different, that happens to everybody myself included, I don’t think it’s necessary to refresh to be sure it’s not duplicated, it wasn’t when you started. You read the thread and it wasn’t there when you started. Well, at least if it’s not hours or days since you started. ;) The obvious ones are the ones that are hours or days or weeks apart, that’s a dead give away they didn’t bother to read it.

PurpLev, I can maybe see a 100 posts, but 10? 20? That’s when I’ve noticed it happening. And I agree with what you said, saying the same thing two or more different ways but most of what I’ve seen would hold up in court as plagiarism. i.e. verbatim.

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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scrappy

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#14 posted 11-27-2009 10:16 AM

Whenever I want go to a post and want to add to the discusion, I always read the other responses first. If I agree and still want to post, Will usually add something like “I agree with so and so” That way you get confirmation of several people think this way or that, with out actually repeating what was said.

Many, many time I have read a post and thought the same thing,”Didn’t they even read what was writen?
So I agree with the , Sometime people just don’t read the other answers and sometimes they don’t even read the ORIGINAL POST! (someone posted on makeing a MAN BOX for their HUSBAND and was answered HOPE SHE LIKES THE JEWELRY BOX) Apparently only looked at the pics and did not read the story, or title.

Just My Opinion

Scrappy

-- Scrap Wood's the best...the projects are smaller, and so is the mess!

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#15 posted 11-27-2009 02:15 PM

nice project

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