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Forum topic by Medickep posted 09-21-2015 04:00 AM 976 views 0 times favorited 12 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Medickep

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09-21-2015 04:00 AM

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I’m curious to hear people’s experience with this tool after reading the following. As a new woodworker, I had my Dewalt 1/4 sheet sander and for 50$ I’d say it’s well worth the price. After talking with several people it seemed like an orbital sander might be the way to got for me as they are said to remove more material quicker than a sheet sander. I purchased this Rigid orbital sander,

http://www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-5-in-Random-Orbit-Sander-with-AIRGUARD-Technology-R26011/100053683

and felt it was worthless and weaker than my sheet sander. I decided to talked to the boys over at Woodcraft who told me they had a demo Festool Rotex 150 they were selling. The tool seemed to work well and with it’s dual-mode seemed like a tool that would replace my belt sander, which I don’t care for because it’s hard on my back. The tool was also connected to a Festool dust extractor and there was no dust.

After using the tool for a couple times, I found that the tool wasn’t really giving me the results as well as my sheet sander, considering the fact I was fighting to keep the tool in the right area and it’s heavy. I decided to call festool as I thought I may be using the wrong paper and they have a ton to choose from. Without me saying a word, other than telling him I was using a Rigid shop vac instead of a Festool extractor, the guy described every issue I was having. Hard to control, swirl marks, and poor sanding.

The guy told me I had to much suction and that the sander was being sucked to the material to much causing poor performance.

I called Woodcraft and relayed the information, which they pretty much confirmed, even though they never once said the tool was hard to use without the 800$ extractor. I feel like I got dooped by those guys, but hey, that’s on me.

I’m wondering how people use this tool, especially if they don’t own the extractor as I’m at the point of coming up with a solution or selling it on Craigslist and buying a couple more sheet sanders!!

I suppose one thing I could try first is some sort of T valve coming out of my shop vac and seeing if adjusting it there will help!

Any advice will be greatly appreciated!!

-- Keith


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waho6o9

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#1 posted 09-21-2015 04:18 AM

It takes some time before the brushes set and then you can start to get a feel for it, you

also need to vary the suction so the sander floats on the material and glides along your work.

It’s one heck of a good sander and once you figure it out you’ll have a good time sanding.

And your sand paper lasts a lot longer.

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runswithscissors

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#2 posted 09-21-2015 06:57 AM

In duel mode does the sander use pistols at 20 paces, or swords? Or do you maybe mean DUAL mode?

Sorry. I usually try to avoid this kind of snark, but sometimes I just can’t help myself.

-- I admit to being an adrenaline junky; fortunately, I'm very easily frightened

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#3 posted 09-21-2015 11:36 AM

I have had similar problems with too much vacuum using a Festool sander. I think this is why they do so well with getting the dust. I have a Festool dust extractor and I can either turn it down or a small hole somewhere in the vacuum line.

I like my Festool sander as it fits my hand and does a good job.

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Medickep

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#4 posted 09-21-2015 01:21 PM

I suppose I should at least try the t valve in my shop vac line or scene if I can find an extractor used. They seem to be very expensive!

The sad thing is I was told their smaller sander doesn’t require the extractor and for what I paid for the 150 demo, I could of purchased the 3mm version brand new!

-- Keith

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Drew

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#5 posted 09-21-2015 02:08 PM

Rotex mode definitely leaves scratches behind that need to be RO’d out.

If I rotex at 150, I will then come back and start RO sanding at 120 and work my way up from there. You can’t skip grits with this sander either.

I would also suggest avoiding rotex mode when possible.
I have also learned (with all 3 ro sanders) that it takes a long time to break-in before getting good results.

Lowering the suction might help some, but I guarantee it won’t solve the problem.

-- TruCraftFurniture.com

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waho6o9

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#6 posted 09-21-2015 02:14 PM

All Festool sanders require a dust extractor.

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AandCstyle

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#7 posted 09-21-2015 10:53 PM

I use a Festool 150/3 ROS with a Nilfisk Attix shop vac and it works just fine and didn’t require any adaptors. The Attix also has variable suction, but is not as expensive (but not cheap) as the Festool vacs. FWIW

-- Art

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waho6o9

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#8 posted 09-21-2015 11:14 PM

Looks like a real good vac Art.

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Medickep

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#9 posted 09-22-2015 02:29 AM

Drew-

Thanks for the thoughts. I’ll try it a few times more with a t valve when I get a chance, otherwise, it’s out of my garage and I’m not pro enough to appreciate it!!

-- Keith

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AandCstyle

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#10 posted 09-22-2015 11:35 PM



Looks like a real good vac Art.

Thanks, Waho, I’ve been very happy with it. It has most of the features of the Festools, but came with a wand & head for vacuuming the floor.

-- Art

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gtbuzz

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#11 posted 09-23-2015 01:56 AM

You could get a fancy dust extractor such as a Festool or a Fein where you can control the amount of suction, however it’s certainly not required. What the Festool rep as well as the Woodcraft folks said is correct, you’ve got too much suction and the sander is basically being sucked down to the workpiece. I don’t have an RO150, but I do have an RO90 and ETS125 and if I have the suction on my vac (Fein Turbo II) turned up too high, it absolutely degrades performance. Normally I just have it set to the lowest setting and it works like a champ. Also, as other people have mentioned, make sure you’re on the random orbit mode and not Rotex mode. Rotex mode is very aggressive and is designed for stock removal, not for finishing.

What you need is something similar to this:

http://www.rockler.com/dust-right-shop-vacuum-handle

But not quite that. There’s an adjustable collar on there that uses bypass airflow to reduce the suction at the end of the hose. When I had a Ridgid shop vac, mine was built into the hose. I tried to find just a straight collar attachment that could go inline to the hose but wasn’t successful. I’d bet if you went to Home Depot or Lowe’s you’ll find something though.

I’m confident that if you do something like that, all the problems will go away. If not, feel free to PM me and let me know how much you want for it =)

—- Additional Info—-

While it’s not a requirement to get a dust extractor, I really love having one over a shop vac for the noise alone – SO much quieter than my old Rigid vac.

Also, you might want to check out this hose:

http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-VAC005-5-Meter-Vacuum-Hose/dp/B0000AV78B/

It doesn’t have the airflow regulator I was suggesting, but it’s compatible with the Festool dust ports. I’m a big fan of it.

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Medickep

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#12 posted 09-23-2015 03:12 AM

Gtbuzz-

Thanks for the solid help/advice!! I will look into that attachment as well as a ball valve to adjust airflow on the dust debut intake side. By the way, I do have that hose and like it too!!

Thanks

-- Keith

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