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Forum topic by DKV posted 09-18-2015 01:23 AM 7671 views 0 times favorited 63 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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09-18-2015 01:23 AM

How much longer can we continue to feed, clothe and find shelter for those that choose not to participate as responsible citizens? I know they all have a sob story to tell and someone other than themselves to blame for their sorry place in life. How tired I get of seeing panhandlers and beggars on sidewalks and at street intersections. Where is their self respect? Where is their inner drive to support themselves and become responsible for their own actions or lack of? Am I alone in my thinking?

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#1 posted 09-18-2015 01:30 AM

You are not alone.

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#2 posted 09-18-2015 01:33 AM

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#3 posted 09-18-2015 11:18 AM

There are the bad and there are the good that deserve help… the difficulty is in differentiating en masse. If we each took the responsibility to get to know more people that aren’t as well off as we are and to help them out directly we could take control of that. Until then, we will continue to throw money around impersonally.

Simply put, doing things better often takes more effort and we choose not to exert that effort as individuals.

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#4 posted 09-18-2015 12:47 PM

How about we go back to the CCC (Civilian Conservation Corps) concept? My grandfather was in the CCC back in the depression. This was a form of welfare where able adults went to a camp and were given food and shelter in return for work. They built roads, bridges and all things related. They were given a small stipend that went directly to their families so that they could live.

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#5 posted 09-18-2015 01:23 PM

“Where is their self respect? Where is their inner drive to support themselves and become responsible for their own actions or lack of? Am I alone in my thinking?”
They are smarter than you and I.
A few weeks ago a news group followed one of them here in SLC.
He made over $ 800.00 in the day! and that is tax free.
Not that I would want to do it.

-- Bert

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#6 posted 09-18-2015 01:26 PM

If they are mentally ill, they need help , period.

But, if they are physically and mentally fit and still choose to stand at a corner of an intersection holding a sign and begging for money, then the obvious reason to me is, panhandling/begging must pay very well,I have heard a conservative estimate of $10 to $20 per hour! and all they have to do is to swallow their pride and forget about human dignity just for a couple of hours a day.

My only hope for them is to regain their self respect and work hard for their money, it is as simple as that.

-- Ken from Ontario, Canada

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#7 posted 09-18-2015 01:43 PM

As opposed to the millionaires eventually caught in welfare fraud or tax evasion, it’s ok though there’re far fewer of them taking advantage of the system than there are of the truly poor

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#8 posted 09-18-2015 01:59 PM

Ken As I wrote above this guy that the TV crew followed made over $800 in the day.
That’s quite bit more than $20.00/hour, more like $80.00/hour

What is also well known at least here in SLC, is that , just like prostitutes, most them a pimped and they “work” for drugs.
You should not give them money ( I do when I am impressed to do it by God) but you should support your local rescue mission which is better equipped to help them.

-- Bert

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#9 posted 09-18-2015 02:16 PM

Personally, I am skeptical that all of the individuals panhandling at intersections in my area are as destitute as they claim to be. Homelessness is a real problem, and although there is some overlap panhandling seems to be a different problem.

Utah seems to be getting better-than-average results with their strategy for dealing with homelessness:
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-utah-housing-first-20150524-story.html

There is, and probably always will be a portion of society that is not sufficiently functional to care for themselves. And there is, and probably always will be, a portion of society that could take care of themselves but won’t. Then there are those that temporarily fall on hard times. I think the best strategy is to accept the reality and try to deal with it in practical ways.

-- Greg D.

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#10 posted 09-18-2015 02:29 PM

I look at the panhandlers and decide for myself if I think they are capable of getting a job or not.
I doubt that any of the ones I see are pimps, lol Anyway, a lot of them have disabilities that are evident and, even though they may be drinkers or whatever, I sometimes give them a few bucks because I know even if they were looking for a job, no one would hire them.

What bothers me is this.
I was getting gas the other day and this big, healthy, well dressed guy comes up to me.
His wife was driving the SUV already in line for gas, a couple of kids were in the back seat.
He shows me his Vet card and proceeds to tell me “his sob story” why he needs some gas. Here is the thing!
This was the second time he asked me in a couple of months. Apparently he does it all the time.

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#11 posted 09-18-2015 03:28 PM

Shit, a whole family of them live next door…

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#12 posted 09-18-2015 10:55 PM

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#13 posted 09-18-2015 11:56 PM

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#14 posted 09-19-2015 12:01 AM

yes dkv you are here in Hawaii it is bad. Majority are not mentally stable add drugs alcohol etc and its a wild party… Just yesterday we were going to my sons soccer practice. In the parking lot there was a meth head standing in the middle of the road on a speed bump looking at the sky. Worst economy and pay in nation here for the middle and lower class I have seen people snap mentally in there 30s and end up on the street. Then theres the lazy ones im not sure about those? I think put them in a secluded area and let them go wild?

I was at subway once and bought this guy outside a sandwich skinny real skinny.I gave it to him and he flipped out and threw the sandwich said he is allergic to onions haaaaa

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#15 posted 09-19-2015 12:23 AM

Hummm.
If you want a TV you buy it. If you want a new saw you buy it. If you want food you by-God best have a way to buy it. It is not anyone’s responsibility to do so for you. Comments about the CCC or some such other gvt program is hogwash to say the least. If it is the gvts responsibility then the means to do so is passed to me via theft-some call that taxes. It is no right. Rights which exist transcend time and space. That which a caveman had is the same we have-negative rights: not to be assulted, killed, stolen from or defrauded.
I take care of me; you take care of you.
Someone in the peanut gallery shouts “but it’s for the children….”

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