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Cory

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11-17-2009 01:35 AM

Topic tags/keywords: tablesaw help advice

I’m in the market for a new saw and I’m looking to buy it right now. My budget is about $800-$1000 and I’d prefer to have a 110v powered saw (to save money on converting an outlet to 220v). I’ve been looking at every saw there is, but I feel like I’m starting to talk myself into and out of every one of them. Here are the saws I’m seriously considering, in no particular order:

Craftsman Pro 22124
Grizzly G0661
Jet JPS-10
Ridgid 4511
Powermatic 64a

I know that everyone seems to be enamored by the used Unisaw market, but there just aren’t any around me. I’ve scoured Craig’s list for weeks, so that seems an unlikely solution.

As always, there is a wealth of information here and I would really appreciate any and all advice you can give me.

-- The secret to getting ahead is getting started.


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cstrang

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#1 posted 11-17-2009 01:52 AM

I would go with the Powermatic or Grizzly (in that order) Iam not too keen on craftsman, in my own personal view they have been going down hill the past several years.

-- A hammer dangling from a wall will bang and sound like work when the wind blows the right way.

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iamwelty

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#2 posted 11-17-2009 02:59 PM

Just put together my Ridgid R4511, Paid $450 with coupon. A Great Saw!! Has the Hercu-lift wheels … so you don’t need to spend more money there. Very heavy saw, quite, fence is adequate… I’d do it again in a heartbeat… I was leaning toward a Grizzley, but spent less than half… put the rest of the money toward other cool stuff… it’s a no-brainer

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WhittleMeThis

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#3 posted 11-17-2009 03:22 PM

The hybrid saw, often offer better table mounting and dust collection.

One I would look at is the grizzly G0478, its 2 hp, closed cabinet, on sale now for $795.

Some of the problems with contract saws are poor dust collection and a motor that hangs out the back of the saw.

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mikedddd

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#4 posted 11-17-2009 03:40 PM

Cory;

The Grizzly and the Ridgid both have riving knifes which for me would be a deciding factor; I used to have the Ridgid 3650 which I had no complaints about. I believe there all built in either Taiwan or China. On your list I think I would lean toward the Grizzly, because it has a riving knife the motor is mounted under the saw rather than hanging out the back and a cast iron top and from what I’ve heard there customer service is top notch.

-- Mike

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Cory

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#5 posted 11-17-2009 04:22 PM

Thanks for the advice, gents. I like the looks/features of the Grizzly, but with shipping and a mobile base it’s nearly twice as expensive as the Ridgid. The Ridgid has most of the features I’m looking for, but the granite top and the 2 piece front rail are causing me to pause. If the rail was one piece, I think I would have bought it already.

-- The secret to getting ahead is getting started.

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mikedddd

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#6 posted 11-17-2009 04:40 PM

Cory;

Those are exactly the two reasons why the Ridgid didn’t get my vote. Another option you might be able to still find a Ridgid 3650 or 3660 at HD still in stock. I have still seen them in my area.

-- Mike

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CharlieM1958

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#7 posted 11-17-2009 05:00 PM

If you can find one, the Ridgid 3650 or 3660 is the best bang for the buck by far. The grizzly might win by a nose in a head-to-head comparison, but I don’t think the difference is enough to warrant the extra money.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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Cosmicsniper

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#8 posted 11-17-2009 05:01 PM

IMHO, if you have a grand to spend on a table saw, you should get a 3hp cabinet saw. For me, the Grizzly would be the easy choice. If the saw can’t run on 110v, I foot the bill for 240v.

Perhaps this is not helpful, but if the budget is large enough to buy the “last table saw you’ll ever need,” then you should pull the trigger. No regrets.

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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Cory

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#9 posted 11-17-2009 05:04 PM

Did you just offer to pay for me to run 220v in my garage? Sold!

-- The secret to getting ahead is getting started.

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eddy

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#10 posted 11-17-2009 06:18 PM

i would look at the craftsman i have had mine for 2 years. it is used almost every day and has been flawless. i saw yesterday they now have the granite top and still using the besmire fence. if you want to save a buck or 2 i saw the display model with the cast top that is going away at my sears store on sale for
$650.00 this saw is made by orion inc. same company that started steel city tools and that also where ridgid
got there new saw format from.

-- self proclaimed copycat

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knotscott

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#11 posted 11-17-2009 08:28 PM

Buy the saw, not the brand. Every saw you mentioned is capable of good service when tuned properly and equipped with a good blade. There are pros and cons to each. In the end, go with the one you like best.

The Craftsman 22124 you mentioned is made by Steel City’s Orion subsidiary, the same company that makes the Ridgid, the new GI 50-240, and Steel City hybrids. It’s been an excellent saw in my experienc, with a great fence, 44” of cast iron surface, and has a solid track record. Many others have this saw and seem to like it too. It lacks a riving knife, but the BORK will fit this saw.

The PM you mentioned is a very good Taiwanese contractor saw with dated technology, very much like the GI and Grizzly contractor saws, and the former Jet and Bridgewood contractor saws. Compared to the hybrids mentioned, it not only has an outboard motor that causes several issues, it also has the older style connecting rods, which combined when with the leverage of the outboard motor can cause the rods to twist when tilted. Unless you find a great deal on a new or used one, I see no advantage with this choice over the others.

Even though you prefer to stay with 110v. Take a look at what you’re passing up for $795 ($889 shipped to your door). The Grizzly G1023SL ....no riving knife on this one either, but the BORK can also be added to this saw, and more importantly, it’s a 3hp industrial style cabinet saw that’s simply a more substantial saw than the others mentioned.

trunnions

Compared to the guts of a typical hybrid:

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PurpLev

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#12 posted 11-17-2009 08:42 PM

I would personally stay awy from the PM, this is NO PM66, and NO PM2000. although it’s a decent saw, it just doesn’t have any incentives over ANY of the other choices you posted. I’m VERY happy with my Ridgid 4511. however, If I was owning my own house, I’d probably run 220v and go for the Grizzly G0690. although that does raise the finances, but not much more compared to the other griz you posted.

but to keep to the list you posted – I find the 4511 carries the most value and is capable just like the rest of them.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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bill merritt

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#13 posted 11-17-2009 09:03 PM

If you can get to Ga. I will make you a deal on a grizzly just like that pic.

-- Bill Merritt -Augusta Ga. woodworker

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BlankMan

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#14 posted 11-17-2009 09:25 PM

Powermatic was always synonymous with quality at least that’s what I had alway thought and Jet I was never enamored with but those tables have turned. When I bought my Powermatic Model 13 Edge Sander the fit and finish was at best poor and the manual was severely lacking, looking like some mimeograph copy. When I bought my Jet Spindle Sander and Metal Working Lathe the fit and finish on both was excellent and the manuals were well done also. Least to say I was not impressed with Powermatic based on how good it was supposed to be, I did not find that so. It could have been just this type of machine but when you have a good reputation it should be across all products and not just on selective products.

I’ve never been a fan of Grizzly or Craftsman for that matter but I have to say that Craftsman 22124 does look nice and it has a Biesemeyer fence but I’d have to see the insides. And that 1023 that knotscott shows looks really nice too and the price point is good. Leave it to knotscott, he always come up with good information and good suggestions, I like that in him. :)

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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TheDane

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#15 posted 11-17-2009 11:03 PM

PowerMatic would be first choice, followed by Jet and Grizzly. Don’t know much about Ridgid tablesaws, but Craftsman would be last on my list.

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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