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Forum topic by skdanser posted 09-07-2015 05:07 PM 1225 views 0 times favorited 22 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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skdanser

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09-07-2015 05:07 PM

I am ready to purchase a table saw for making furniture and cabinets. I have the opportunity to purchase a Delta 3hp Left Tilt Unisaw with 52” Biesemeyer fence in good condition for about $1000 including gas to pick it up. It is about 8 or 9 years old and thus does not have a riving knife:

I am also considering a Delta 36-5152 with a riving knife which will cost $1200 as shown here:

I know the rule of thumb is buy the best tool you can afford…but there are advantages to both. I would appreciate your thoughts.

Thanks,

Stephen


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jmartel

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#1 posted 09-07-2015 05:13 PM

I’d buy the unisaw. There might be an aftermarket riving knife kit for it as well.

-- The quality of one's woodworking is directly related to the amount of flannel worn.

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#2 posted 09-07-2015 05:16 PM

I’d take the cabinet saw over the hybrid in a heartbeat. Heavier construction, more power, better fence—it’s just a much more capable piece of equipment. You should be able to add a BORK and have your riving knife.

I know the rule of thumb is buy the best tool you can afford…but there are advantages to both. I would appreciate your thoughts.

- skdanser

There are advantages both ways, but you can upgrade the deficiencies of the cabinet saw, there is no way to upgrade the power construction of the hybrid. Not saying the hybrid isn’t a good saw—by all reports, it is. It’s just that a cabinet saw offers a lot more advantages if you are looking at the same amount of money.

-- "Good judgement is the result of experience. A lot of experience is the result of poor judgement."

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#3 posted 09-07-2015 05:26 PM

Buy the uni….you can thank me later!

That hybrid as you called it….is some cheap imitation of who knows what…..I’ve seen one and had my hands on it….delta should be embarressed.

You don’t need a Irving knife
JB

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skdanser

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#4 posted 09-07-2015 05:54 PM

Thanks for the feedback! I guess it is unanimous! I will post some pics when I get it set up.

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#5 posted 09-07-2015 07:26 PM

or…..

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bigJohninvegas

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#6 posted 09-07-2015 08:32 PM

I agree, Cabinet saw is the way to go. I have a hybrid saw. And if I had done better research when I was first shopping I would have bought the old uninsaw.
Here are a couple of links for upgrading your unisaw to use a riving knife.
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/1485

http://www.thesharkguard.com/sharkunisaw.php
looks like there are several options for the older pre riving knife saws.

-- John

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skdanser

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#7 posted 09-07-2015 08:54 PM

Thanks for the feedback about the Bork and Shark Guard options…I will certainly keep them in mind!

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toolie

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#8 posted 09-08-2015 04:13 PM

depends on what type of WW you do. if you’re hunting rabbits, howitzers are nice but not necessary. cabinet saws are nice but not necessary for precision work.

-- there's a solution to every problem.......you just have to be willing to find it.

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#9 posted 09-08-2015 04:20 PM

No comparison at all. GO Cabinet saw.

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#10 posted 09-08-2015 04:23 PM

I’d buy a cheaper unisaw over a brand new hybrid any day. A unisaw with a 3 horse will take anything you throw at it. It’s a beast compared to a hybrid.

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#11 posted 09-08-2015 04:28 PM

I bought the new Delta, I love it so far, but it’s definitely not something you should compare to the other. One thing to consider with Delta also is that their new owners are horrible about customer service. My riving knife had some broken parts on it, when I called to speak with them about this it took forever to even find a service center. Once I got in contact with the service center it looks like those parts are on back order with no foreseeable due date now. Saying that, I still love the saw for the price. I have noticed it’s lacking in power when I start cutting some tougher woods. It absolutely hates elm, but just have to take it a lot slower. The fence looks and feels great, but I’m still looking at upgrading to the incra fence.

-- Phillip- Measure twice, cut onc.... Hey look, it's rustic.

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WhyMe

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#12 posted 09-08-2015 04:28 PM



Buy the uni….you can thank me later!

That hybrid as you called it….is some cheap imitation of who knows what…..I ve seen one and had my hands on it….delta should be embarressed.

You don t need a Irving knife
JB

- cabmaker

For what the Delta 36-XXXX series is I don’t see a thing Delta needs to be embarrassed about. It stands up well to its competitor’s style hybrid saws. Don’t confuse the 36-735 that Lowe’s sells to the 36-5152 that the OP pictured.

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SirIrb

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#13 posted 09-08-2015 06:53 PM

Mr. Uni is insulted that he is even in the same mention as a hybrid.

—What, you really want me to say that, Mr. Uni?—

Man, he is mad. I could barely make out the words. Something about being around since the late 30’s, cut more wood than you have seen trees and something about the fleas of 1000 reindeer having a party in your hair.

Serious, If you ever get a chance to break a uni open and see the genius of its design and how rigid it is compared to the hybrids, you would answer your question.

Let me know if you want pictures of the guts of this beast.

-- Don't blame me, I voted for no one.

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#14 posted 09-08-2015 07:17 PM

Serious, If you ever get a chance to break a uni open and see the genius of its design and how rigid it is compared to the hybrids, you would answer your question.

Just a point of interest here – the parts on a unisaw (up until they changed the numbering scheme) all began with “LTA”, which stood for “Light Tilting Arbor”, as the design was considered light weight compared to other, larger tilting arbor saws of the time :)

But yes, the design that Mr. Tautz came up with was brilliant and has been basically copied by almost all the other cabinet saw manufacturers since its late 1930’s introduction (and essentially unchanged up until sometime around 2005). It may have been considered a light duty machine when compared to other industrial machines of it’s time, but it’s an order of magnitude more robust than the consumer grade machines you will find.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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SirIrb

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#15 posted 09-08-2015 07:42 PM

I keep the exploded drawing of the uni open on my pc all day and I never knew thats what LTA stood for. I MUST get an old saw that the uni was light compared to.

There is a nice Fay Egan and a Tannewitz for sale on BOYD at OWWM, maybe I should check them out.

Thanks for the acronym-age, Brad.

-- Don't blame me, I voted for no one.

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