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Forum topic by Luthierman posted 09-05-2015 05:25 PM 1001 views 0 times favorited 23 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Luthierman

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09-05-2015 05:25 PM

I have ben searching for a sander. Random orbital preferably. I know there are tons out there but I have one serious catch. It needs to have some VERY good dust collection. Before you all go and say FESTOOL, I don’t want any of that. I have used them at great length and while yes, the dust collection is very good, it is ridiculously overpriced for what you are getting. I am not at all impressed with the build quality. I am not afraid to spend money, its just when I have to spend so much, it better be the best, not just a name. I feel like festool is only marginally better than items that are hundreds less. Definitely not the best bang for the buck. I would be interested in what any of you have learned from your personal experience with different manufactures and their ability to keep the dust under control.
And as always, thanks for the input.

Jesse

-- Jesse, West Lafayette, Indiana


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Nicky

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#1 posted 09-05-2015 05:36 PM

I’ve been a fan of Bosch tools. My ROS hooked up to my little shopvac works well. I do have a hepa filter on the vac.

-- Nicky

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JoeinGa

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#2 posted 09-05-2015 05:43 PM

I bought a Milwaukee (after reading about 200 reviews here and on-line) and have been very happy with it.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-5-in-Random-Orbit-Sander-6021-21/100609940
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Luthierman

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#3 posted 09-05-2015 06:41 PM

Folks, (Jo and Nicky) what kind of ability do they have for dust collection? Do you find that there is a lot floating in the air? Very little? How much is left on the work peice?

I was flirting with the idea wirth this:

Anyone own this?

Very pricey but in the same spendy level as festool. Looks to be 10 times the tool as well.

-- Jesse, West Lafayette, Indiana

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Luthierman

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#4 posted 09-05-2015 07:15 PM

Then I found this:

This is in the lead.

-- Jesse, West Lafayette, Indiana

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Nicky

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#5 posted 09-05-2015 08:00 PM

My ROS does a pretty good job. I do have some dust on the surface and in the air. If I had to guess, maybe 90%+ efficient.

I’ve never had luck with bag attachments. Hooking up a vacuum makes a big difference.

No experience with Fien. I have several Bosch sanders, and they have performed well.

I’d be curious what others have to say.

-- Nicky

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waho6o9

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#6 posted 09-05-2015 08:04 PM

Mirka’s spendy as well, but I great sander from what I hear.

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Crank50

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#7 posted 09-05-2015 09:29 PM

Nearly any of those 5” ROS are fairly good at dust collection right out of the box. And when the little bag is removed and they are hooked up to a shop vac they are substantially better. Some have better ways to connect to a shop vac than others. I have a Ridgid ROS and I bought it specifically because it had a connection for my Ridgid shop vac. I like it.
The only improvement I have been able to make beyond putting a HEPA filter on the vacuum was to switch to Abranet sanding disks. That was a substantial improvement. You do have to take precautions to avoid ruining your hook and loop pad when using these.

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Bill7255

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#8 posted 09-05-2015 10:09 PM

I have a Bosch and the Mirca ceros. $59 and $500. The Mirca has much better performance and dust collection. At 10 X $ it should. I would buy another one as now I am spoiled. As Crank50 said you need to buy the sacrificial pads for your hook and loop if using the Abranet paper. The reason it has much better dust collection as there are multiple holes in the pad to extract dust and the Abranet paper is pourious. It’s a great sander, but at $500 it should be.

-- Bill R

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Texcaster

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#9 posted 09-05-2015 10:15 PM

This tool is 2001 vintage. It’s on the 4th disk, been dropped more than once and still cuts like a champ with no telltale swirls. What’s not to love ?

-- Mama calls me Texcaster but my real name is Mr. Earl.

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#10 posted 09-05-2015 10:55 PM

Which festool sander did you use ?

If you want a good sander you ll need to step up to the plate …..festool, mirka,Bosch…that is if it is the Swedish made Bosch and not the china models.

There are one or two others out there but the brand eludes me at the the moment

Enjoy jb

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Luthierman

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#11 posted 09-05-2015 11:19 PM

I used the current line of rotex sanders, specifically the RO 90 and the RO 150. The bosch that I posted looks to be a near clone of the RO 150. I have been reading at great depth and from what I have found, festool has been adding more and more plastic to their tools. I cannot confirm this as it was just something that has been said by users, nothing from the company itself. While I will agree that festool is or can be a good tool, I do not think it deserves the premium price it demands. I’m looking for the best, not the best name. Bang for the buck factors in to this as well.

Watch this video. If you are a festool fanboy don’t, unless you don’t mind if all the marketing fluff of festool becomes known to you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oezp-_DcUgg

-- Jesse, West Lafayette, Indiana

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Woodendeavor

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#12 posted 09-05-2015 11:27 PM

I could not have made the choice that I made with out having hands on experience with it but I am very glad that I ponied up to the steep price tag for the Mirka Ceros. I love this sander. I have had days where I am using the tool for 6 hours a day with no hand numbness from vibration and no need to wear a dust mask. I purchased mine after trying on out at a professional shop. They have been using theirs for at least 5 years now with no problems other then a worn out hook and loop pad and this is a busy production shop. If you can find one to see first hand to check out I would steer you in this direction

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cabmaker

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#13 posted 09-05-2015 11:28 PM

Well it appears you have yet to try their specific random orbital …...such as the ets 150/3 or the ets 150/5

I like the 150/3 personally

If you only used the rotex sanders as you stated I understand why you came to your conclusion

The only reason I use a rotex on occasion is to eliminate pulling out the belt sander (not to mention dust collection)
The rotex in ros mode makes for a cumbersome one hander for sure.

Wish you success with your plight JB

It would be a bunch easier if there was only one sander available

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Luthierman

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#14 posted 09-05-2015 11:44 PM


It would be a bunch easier if there was only one sander available

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Truth.

I liked the Ro sanders because it eliminated the need for a belt sander. It looks like I will need at minimum 2 sanders. One for finer work and one for flattening panels or just plain larger surfaces. For years I have used wood blocks and my hands. Works great. I am a patient man. Sometimes there is a lot to remove. Sand paper and blocks aren’t very awesome for this. The whole reason this even came up for me is when I was working at my last job in a cabinet shop they had loads of festool products that I was able to use. It piqued my interest into controlling the dust. Now I really wanted to know what else was out there in the high priced tier of tools. Expensive doesn’t mean good, i know this. That is the reason for this thread. I have had some excellent suggestions so far. It doesn’t go unappreciated.

-- Jesse, West Lafayette, Indiana

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jeffswildwood

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#15 posted 09-06-2015 12:20 AM

I have a DeWalt. Works great for dust control with the little bag but attached to my shop vac. it works even better. Not super expensive and combined with mirka disks it proven to be very efficient.

-- We all make mistakes, the trick is to fix it in a way thats says "I meant to do that".

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