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snowdog

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2514 days ago

Topic tags/keywords: improvment

Hi Martin (and all),
Coloradoclimber had a great idea (http://lumberjocks.com/projects/3004#comment-65520) to create a file share for drawings (nothing copy protected of course).

Here is one idea:

Make it a “give and take”. For instance, you can take a drawing but until you contribute something back you can’t take anymore. This way we share but also encourage give back.
What do you think?

-- "so much to learn and so little time"..


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coloradoclimber

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#1 posted 2514 days ago

Snowdog,

Obviously I’m all for sharing models. I get to benefit from other’s good designs and once I’ve finished up a model it doesn’t cost me anything to share it out to the world.

It sounds like there are a couple issues to be looked at; the technical issues of sharing files, and the social issues of what’s “fair”. For the first part, the mechanics of sharing files, it sounds like there are multiple possible solutions.

- A centralized repository, everyone uploads their models to a central bank and that’s where they live.

- A distributed repository, the actual files live scattered throughout the internet and the links to the files are centralized.

- A distributed repository and distributed links. The files live wherever they where uploaded and the links are scattered throughout lumberjocks attached to various posts.

- I heard a rumor sketchup might have a “warehouse” capability built in to share files. Maybe there is already a built in solution to this question.

I don’t know what the implications to Martin and typical users would be for any of these models. I’m game to give any of them a shot.

The second issue, the question of fairness. I understand the idea of trying to encourage people to contribute, if you want to take, you ought to give. But I guess I’m against the idea of counting “take vs give” on a file by file basis. The concern I have is that not everyone contributes in the same way, particularly with creative work. Some people are going to be strong designers and modelers and have lots of models to contribute and others are going to be less proficient at modeling but have other ways of contributing. For example, one person might be a great designer, come up with a quick idea, sketch it up, and upload it. Someone else might not be as strong at modeling but might be a whiz at workflow, assembly, joinery, whatever. Person number 2 downloads the file, looks it over, maybe comes up with who knows what great idea to make the whole thing better, posts back a comment and everyone benefits. And maybe person number 2 never uploads a file ever.

Anyhow. I’m not looking to make a lot of work for people but I am interested in the idea of sharing models.

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Brad_Nailor

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#2 posted 2514 days ago

I think this is a great idea. If everyone contributes what they can we could build a great library of “components”. Give and take is essential to this concept, and contribution would be great no matter what the level. Someone might have a great idea for a piece, but not be able to model it well. Other users could download the basic concepts represented and refine it into a detailed model. Also once the library gets built you can use other models as a jumping off point for your own ideas or models, or use it like the 3d wharehouse, download pieces to use in your model as accesories. I personally use the Google 3d wharehouse all the time. Even if what I find is rudimentary or not so well modeled or detailled, I can use it as a starting point and modify/improve it to my liking for what I am using it for. Case in point, the screws in my exploded detalis in my SU contest entry were from the wharehouse. I didnt want to draw them from scratch, and the model was good except for the texture, so a small change and I was able to increase the detail level of my model without hours spent modeling a screw!
Lets put this together ….and also for you guys that are just learning Sketchup, it is very helpfull if you can download a well modeled piece to just look at and investigate, to learn from..see how pieces are grouped and to build your own library of textures and materials!

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woodgizmo

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#3 posted 2514 days ago

Wouldn’t it make more sense to just add another category similar to “Projects” where the file can be previewed and discussed, but the hosting of the actual file is stored and one of the many free storage sites (similar to using photobucket for photos)?

I would just call the category “SketchUps”.

-- Hard work spotlights the character of people; some turn up their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all!

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MsDebbieP

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#4 posted 2514 days ago

the “free storage sites” sounds like a good idea. When we asked Martin about posting pictures on our blogs the same way that we do the projects, he said that the cost of the extra space required was a barrier to this upgrade.
I would think that Sketchup files etc would fall under the same “cost” category.

We already have the “video” category.. perhaps a “plans” or “files” category would help to organize this great idea.

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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A.W. "Pappy" Ford

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#5 posted 2514 days ago

I’m not sure what the average file size for these models are but I have quite a bit of unused space (almost 100GB available) on my hosting server with plenty of unused bandwidth (nearly 1 Terabyte available) for file transfers. I’ll donate if they need to be housed away from the LJ server as long as there are enough controls in place that only LJs can view the links.

-- --==[ Pappy ]==--

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Brad_Nailor

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#6 posted 2513 days ago

File size is based purely on model size, complexity and textures.

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MsDebbieP

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#7 posted 2513 days ago

what the heck is a terabyte?

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Brad_Nailor

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#8 posted 2513 days ago

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schroeder

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#9 posted 2513 days ago

If you guys start posting Sketchup for woodworking I’ll buy whatever size hard drive I need! o-please please please! ;)

-- The Gnarly Wood Shoppe

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Dan'um Style

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#10 posted 2513 days ago

great idea. there many shareware conversion programs available. I’m for anything that would promote woodworking as a hobby or ambition.

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Rich H.

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#11 posted 2513 days ago

I think we should be looking beyond a terabyte!!! I have alot of good ideas

-- RMH Designs

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scottb

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#12 posted 2513 days ago

I’m thinking – without looking at the Sketchup site, that there may be a way we can start a group, and post there. Like a Flikr group, or how we use Blip or YouTube to host our videos – though the one caveat may be keeping it LJ’s only.

-- I am always doing what I cannot do yet, in order to learn how to do it. - Van Gogh -- http://blanchardcreative.etsy.com -- http://snbcreative.wordpress.com/

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A.W. "Pappy" Ford

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#13 posted 2513 days ago

Not sure if Martin has been following this thread or not. It really is not expensive to get file space and bandwidth anymore. We can start with what I have currently and address getting more when the time comes. That keeps the download stress off the main LJ server and doesn’t eat up all our chatty bandwidth :) Also means some of that unused stuff I’m already paying for finally gets legitimate use, LOL

Just did a little experiment on Sketchup file sizes and here’s the results:

- coloradoclimber’s lathe bench, raw model: 84kb

- coloradoclimber’s lathe bench, compressed: 46kb

- Thomas Porter’s thorsen, raw model: 144kb

- Thomas Porter’s thorsen, compressed: 64kb

- Google complete Denver Intl Airport, architectural model: 6mb

- Google complete Denver Intl Airport, compressed: 5.1mb

So you can see depending on variables like textures used and model complexity, we can save between 20-50% of our space requirements just by requiring that files be compressed prior to upload (I may be able to have the code do it automatically during the upload process).

I think I can set it up to make sure its for LJs only, just need to get a few techie details from Martin. If that works then you’d have to log into LJ first and then click a custom link to authenticate into the file-store. Give me a chance to message Martin about some details and make sure I’m not overstepping boundaries, and if its cool I’ll work up a little prototype for testing.

Meantime it sounds like a lot more of us need to get up to speed on modeling :)

-- --==[ Pappy ]==--

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shaun

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#14 posted 2513 days ago

I’m till learning my way around sketchup but… doesn’t google have place to store/share your files?

-- I've cut that board three times and it's still too short!

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snowdog

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#15 posted 2513 days ago

Added an internal storage system specific to LumberJocs would be a value add and should be only for registered Lumberjocs. I would not be uposed to paying a small subscription fee to help subsidize the cost of extra space and bandwidth that would be needed.

With the right marketing you could get a few advertisers to cover the cost upfront or after a proof of concept showed the popularity of the functionality. It really depends on where and what Martin wants for the site in the near furture and far.

Speaking of what Martin wants for this site, short and long term, is there a mission statement posted on the site that clearly states the goals and values of Lumberjocs?

-- "so much to learn and so little time"..

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