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Bothus

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1752 days ago

Topic tags/keywords: question

... so here’s a question for you.

I just installed security cameras around the perimeter of the house. My 200 AMP service panel is also outside.

I plan to add a sub panel inside, but is there any way this sub panel can bypass the main 200 AMP breaker outside?

The point being that I want to keep my cameras on if someone flips the main breaker.

I should probably just put a big UPS system to support the cameras but I need to add a sub panel anyway so I thought I’d ask.

Thanks,

Bothus

-- Jerry Boshear, Professional Kitchen Designer, amature woodworker.


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ChunkyC

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#1 posted 1752 days ago

Yes you can but the sub will need to have a main breaker.

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#2 posted 1752 days ago

wrong! By NEC power main must be accessible from the exterior. If the Main splits to multiple structures, each structure is require to have a disconnect at the sub entrance. You can lock the box but then all a burglar would need to do is pull the meter. Get a battery backup.

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#3 posted 1752 days ago

I just bought a new house which does not have disconnect outside, so I looked up the NEC requirements. NFPA 70A-2005 Section 230.70 (A) (1) for one and two family dwellings says that the disconnect can be outside or inside, but if inside must be close to where the service enters. However, in looking for the NFPA reference, I saw where some local building codes require a disconnect on the exterior of a building. You probably should check local requirements and/or hire a qualified local electrician.

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GFYS

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#4 posted 1752 days ago

True! I remembered partialy! :) Still the meter box will still be exterior and still accessible I think. A pair of light duty wire cutters and the meter can be pulled out easily.

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doyoulikegumwood

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#5 posted 1752 days ago

have you thought of a battery backup for these cameras i think it would be best on many levels.

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#6 posted 1752 days ago

Mics – Absolutely correct. I misread the post. Bothus did state “inside,” I was thinking that he was going to add a second panel on the outside of house. Some local codes allow the service disconnect to be on the inside, california doesn’t as I remember, it’s been quite some time sense I’ve done ele. work in cali. I know our local code here in IA requires a disconnect on the outside.

However, 230.70 says that the “service disconnect” can be inside or outside, close to where the service enters the building. I had to use this clause on the last building we built this year. There is a disconnecting means at the transformer and the “Service Disconnect” is located inside at the main 480 V panel. The tansformer is too far from the building to be a service disconnect and no room at the building to add a second disconnecting means.

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GFYS

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#7 posted 1752 days ago

In any event I ‘m not sure even of the meter box available that would allow for no disconnect at the meter. I’ve not seen one.

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#8 posted 1752 days ago

i think the battery back up is the best solution..it solves the problem quickly and prob with the least amount of expense…...just my 2 cents

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#9 posted 1752 days ago

I would use PoE (power over Ethernet) security cameras plugged into a network switch on a ups. This would give remote connectivity and a plethora of nice hardware recording features.

Likewise, for AC/DC powered cams and complete security systems, even the smallest UPS is all it takes to buy you plenty of time in the event of a power outage.

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Bothus

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#10 posted 1752 days ago

Great feedback guys. Thanks.

I will use an UPS for the security system.

I still want to install a sub panel in my attached garage. I was planning to put a 125 AMP panel there but the 1/0 wire for that was going to cost me a fortune at Home Depot. I guess I could put in a 50 AMP breaker and use 6/3 cable.

Bigger is better of course. What would you guys do? The run from the main panel is about 60’.

Bothus

-- Jerry Boshear, Professional Kitchen Designer, amature woodworker.

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GFYS

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#11 posted 1752 days ago

Bothus…if the garage is attached and you are refering to 6/3 NM..am I to assume you are routing wire through the building to the sub panel? I asked an electrician and here is what he answered not knowing it was an attached garage. (I forgot to mention it)
Since 6/3 is an NM sheathed cable it’s good for 55 amps but you cannot install it inside any sort of conduit so forget that idea. What you need is obviously conduit and minimum #3 THWN for 100 amps. Disconnect and ground rods at the detached garage.

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Bothus

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#12 posted 1752 days ago

Yes. Through the building. I can run it through the attic or the crawl space under the house.

Bothus

-- Jerry Boshear, Professional Kitchen Designer, amature woodworker.

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TopamaxSurvivor

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#13 posted 1752 days ago

FYI, all service disconnects have to be at one location per national electrical code. UPS is the way to keep the cameras on. A big dog is the best security system ;-))

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#14 posted 1752 days ago

I have a large UPS system for my camera system, but instead of the battery it had inside. I ran some heavy 10 gauge wire out of the UPS to a large deep cycle marine battery, much longer run time.

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#15 posted 1752 days ago

I have the best home security method ever created… follow these easy steps and you to can have the security you desire.

1. Place a pair of size 14 boots on your porch, and a copy of “Guns and Ammo”

2. Put a note on the front door that reads as follows.

Jed,

I went to the store to get more beer and ammo. Wait until I get back though because Kujo, Killer, and Clyde got ahold of the mail-man earlier. I think Kujo is ok, but there was a lot of blood so I am not sure yet. I should be back soon, so just hang out in your truck.

signed, Cletus

3. Get a simple motion detector and hook it up to a recording of dogs barking.

That’s it… You’ll never have any problems.

-- San Diego, CA

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