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11-10-2009 04:41 PM

I am looking to build a mission style dining table. I am trying to decide between QS white oak and QS red oak. Does anyone here have any comments or recommendations? Are there any particular benefits or one over the other?

Thanks!


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#1 posted 11-10-2009 06:26 PM

I used rift sawn red oak,a little cheaper than 1/4 sawn white oak

-- Bill in Mich

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#2 posted 11-10-2009 07:10 PM

White oak is a better lumber choice for outside applications, since water doesn’t travel though the closed tubes as rapidly.

With Quartersawn you’ll also have larger rays with the White, rift is really a better look for Red where you get giant long grain patterns, espeically beautiful on a long tabletop.

Another major factor is staining, Red Oak is the champ when it comes to accepting stain, White Oak isn’t a pain like Maple, but it will take a stain significantly slower and have a higher chance of blotching.

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#3 posted 11-10-2009 08:08 PM

Thanks for the comments! Bill, I looked at your dining table on your projects. Wow, beautiful work! Did you use rift sawn red oak on your table? What did you use for a finish? That shine is amazing!

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#4 posted 11-10-2009 11:01 PM

Glad you liked the table,We used rift sawn red oak and was stained with a wipe on poly, but can’t remember what flavor.

-- Bill in Mich

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#5 posted 11-10-2009 11:09 PM

Along with Nathans post white oak is truer to the mission statement , It cost more but it’s worth it.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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#6 posted 11-11-2009 12:22 AM

Here is an online version of the H.H. Windsor book on Mission Style, interesting reading.

http://chestofbooks.com/crafts/popular-mechanics/Mission-Furniture/index.html

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#7 posted 11-11-2009 02:01 AM

Quartersawn white oak will have more medullary ray flake that you can pop with the finish. Red oak has a more dramatic contrast in the grain, so you can go dark & darker.

-- You can't control the wind, but you can trim your sails

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#8 posted 11-11-2009 03:02 AM

My buddy Eric turned me onto the book NathanAllen is referring to above awhile ago. We’ve both made the tabouret table. It’s a very simple set of designs that beg for deep, rich finishes. I bought my copy of the book at the Gamble House bookstore. Good stuff… If you use any of the above designs, I recommend modifying the library table.

My girlfriend just reminded me that her Grandpa offered me that book from his ancient library years ago.

-- You can't control the wind, but you can trim your sails

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#9 posted 11-11-2009 03:38 AM

I’m tired, so I forgot to mention that red oak doesn’t ammonia fume well at all, like white oak does. Difference in tannins.

My own struggle with dining room design starts here (sounds Marxist).

-- You can't control the wind, but you can trim your sails

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#10 posted 11-11-2009 03:58 PM

Wow, that is some fantastic information. I have actually been looking at two different tables; one which is inspired by Greene & Greene (arts & crafts) and another which is a mission table. I was trying to create my own design which is a mixture. Based upon the comments I believe I will go with QS white oak. I wanted to thank all of the experts for the great advice!

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#11 posted 11-11-2009 04:16 PM

I prefer the white over the red but truth be known, after its stained its hard to see the difference.

Where I live the rift sawn white or red is more expensive then quarter sawn and to find a “true rift cut” in solid wood is difficult. The quarter sawn has many medulary? (spelling) rays exposed which leaves those jewel like, flashy spots where rift is a nice even grain. Both rift and quartered oaks are stable and resist dimensional change.

-- "Good artists borrow, great artists steal”…..Picasso

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#12 posted 11-13-2009 05:56 PM

Dusty makes a lot of his stuff out of red oak. As you can see, it’s very dark and dramatic (depending on how it’s stained of course). You can tell red oak a mile away because of the way the hard and soft parts soak up the stain differently. I haven’t gotten that kind of effect with any of my white oak finishing samples.

-- You can't control the wind, but you can trim your sails

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