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Forum topic by Sawdustmaker115 posted 08-26-2015 09:10 PM 941 views 0 times favorited 15 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Sawdustmaker115

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08-26-2015 09:10 PM

Topic tags/keywords: question finishing spray gun

So I normally use minwax clear semi-gloss spay lacquer, but my local HD, lowes, and my hardware store all say that they discontinued it and cannot get it for me :(. So I called Minwax and I told them the issue I was having and they said that I can get it at a local supplier but, haha as soon as the guy at minwax went to look at the list of suppliers it listed non…lol… So I’ve been going kinda crazy trying to find some lacquer as I am down to my last can and I have loads of projects and commissioned work coming up and REALLY need some decent lacquer.

I have a few questions:

First, is there a huge difference between semi-gloss and gloss with this brand? I say this because all the stores around do still carry gloss and satin but like I said they don’t have semi-gloss, so if there isn’t really to much of a difference between them then it might be better to just get either the satin or gloss.

Second, I’ve heard a bunch of people tell me that deft brand spay Lacquer is very high quality, is it really much better than minwax? After a look at what amazon had, I was really thinking about getting like 2 cases of the deft brand because the price was very reasonable and cheaper than minwax. I also figured that this might be the best option because they have the semi-gloss like I wanted.

And my biggest question is:
Can I just use a paint sprayer to apply say like brushing lacquer that has been thinned out? and if so what would be some good ratios to use? Does anyone such as Woodcraft or Rocker sell lacquer that has already been thinned so that you can just add it to a spray gun and your set?

Thanks guys for your help in advanced!

-- Anthony--http://knottywoodshop.weebly.com/


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johnstoneb

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#1 posted 08-26-2015 09:15 PM

Spraying lacquer is lacquer thinned to spray. I have always used Deft brushing lacquer. I haven’t used Minwax because of problems I have had with their polyshades. Didn’t want to take the chance that they didn’t know how to make lacquer either.

-- Bruce, Boise, ID

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#2 posted 08-26-2015 09:19 PM

First off!!!!!
Finishing ain’t quick and easy. MinWax is sometimes OK.
Deft is quality product, and worth lookin’ for suppliers.
Pre thinned stuff is just that. STUFF! Mostly thinner. Everyone will have different needs and formulae depending on temp. humidity, etc. No pat answer.
You will have to experiment in order to find the best product for your conditions. The folks in Arizona won’t use the same mix as I use in Mississippi. Study and practice is my best suggestion.
BTW, Polyshades fits into the “STUFF’ category.
Bill

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Earlextech

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#3 posted 08-26-2015 09:24 PM

Deft is better than Minwax.
Spraying brushing lacquer works too.
Thinned lacquer sprays well too.
Woodcraft and Rockler sell https://generalfinishes.com/ products.

-- Sam Hamory - The project is never finished until its "Finished"!

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#4 posted 08-26-2015 11:59 PM

Okay, I’m seriously thinking about trying out General Finishes Enduro Water Based Lacquer. Just a quick question would the spray gun I have which is this work at least until I get a better/proper gun.

-- Anthony--http://knottywoodshop.weebly.com/

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Mark Kornell

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#5 posted 08-27-2015 04:00 AM

Anthony, that detail gun will spray WB lacquers, but it is very slow.going for large areas. The full size gun from HF does a good job and is pretty inexpensive, would probably be a better choice.

-- Mark Kornell, Kornell Wood Design

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#6 posted 08-27-2015 11:24 AM

I just used Enduro Var for the first time this week. It’s a very good product, though a tad expensive for my taste. I found it to spray very well right out of the can (Fuji HVLP) and I really like the appearance. Be aware you may (will) have grain raising with the first coat. It’s not a problem, sand the first coat smooth and carry on. BTW, if you want to stay with NC lacquer, SW has a very good one. They keep it in the back so you have to ask for it. Also, if you live in an area that has Menard’s they carry Watco NC lacquer. I’ve used it as well and find it to be a very good product.

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Sawdustmaker115

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#7 posted 08-27-2015 12:25 PM

Can’t I just raise the grain with some water and then sand it before I spray the finish, or will it still end up raising it?


I just used Enduro Var for the first time this week. It s a very good product, though a tad expensive for my taste. I found it to spray very well right out of the can (Fuji HVLP) and I really like the appearance. Be aware you may (will) have grain raising with the first coat. It s not a problem, sand the first coat smooth and carry on. BTW, if you want to stay with NC lacquer, SW has a very good one. They keep it in the back so you have to ask for it. Also, if you live in an area that has Menard s they carry Watco NC lacquer. I ve used it as well and find it to be a very good product.

- Fred Hargis

NC lacquer? What’s the “NC” stand for?
So your saying Sherwin Williams sells a pretty good lacquer, do you know what It’s called?

-- Anthony--http://knottywoodshop.weebly.com/

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Earlextech

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#8 posted 08-27-2015 01:13 PM

You can pre-raise the grain with a water mist. This will eliminate 75% of the grain raise from the first coat of finish. You’ll still have some sanding after you spray that first coat.

Nitro-Cellulose

Here is a list of SW lacquers – http://oem.sherwin-williams.com/products/wood/clear-wood-finishes

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#9 posted 08-27-2015 01:19 PM



Can t I just raise the grain with some water and then sand it before I spray the finish, or will it still end up raising it?

I just used Enduro Var for the first time this week. It s a very good product, though a tad expensive for my taste. I found it to spray very well right out of the can (Fuji HVLP) and I really like the appearance. Be aware you may (will) have grain raising with the first coat. It s not a problem, sand the first coat smooth and carry on. BTW, if you want to stay with NC lacquer, SW has a very good one. They keep it in the back so you have to ask for it. Also, if you live in an area that has Menard s they carry Watco NC lacquer. I ve used it as well and find it to be a very good product.

- Fred Hargis

NC lacquer? What s the “NC” stand for?
So your saying Sherwin Williams sells a pretty good lacquer, do you know what It s called?

- Sawdustmaker115

In my experience with waterborne finishes pre raising the grain will work. Both Enduro Var and High performance are very good products and both spray well right out of the can.

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Fred Hargis

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#10 posted 08-27-2015 01:57 PM

NC is nitro cellulose, the resin in most solvent lacquers (cotton dissolved in nitric acid). I agree with the above about pre raising the grain…it works. I also see it as an extra step. Once you spray the first coat, the raised fibers are locked in place, a quick swipe with sandpaper (which you’ll probably do anyway) and it’s done. The SW product to which I referred is the Sherwood low VOC product (non catalyzed).

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Finisherman

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#11 posted 08-27-2015 04:56 PM

If you can spray, you might want to try Magnamax pre-catalyzed lacquer from ML Campbell. This gives you the fast drying and ease of application of a nitrocellulose lacquer, along with much greater durability. BTW, it’s not hard to add your own thinner to the lacquer. Just follow the manufacturer’s instructions. The information sheet will tell you how much thinner to add, usually expressed as a percentage. If you use the Magnamax, buy some thinner at the same time as you purchase the lacquer. You’ll need it to clean your gun anyway.

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pintodeluxe

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#12 posted 08-27-2015 05:06 PM

If you end up with a small spray rig, I recommend Rudd lacquer. It sprays really nice with a gravity feed gun. I have had good luck with Deft products as well.
I never cared for rattle cans, because the pressure is not consistent.

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#13 posted 08-27-2015 06:31 PM

Here’s the only issue I have with spraying…I have a basement shop so I really think id rather go with the water based stuff because of the fumes, I do have an exhaust fan set up but I still don’t have really good ventilation. This is why I’m really starting to think the General Finish stuff would be best for me.

-- Anthony--http://knottywoodshop.weebly.com/

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#14 posted 08-27-2015 06:56 PM

Sounds like a wise choice to me…...

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#15 posted 08-27-2015 07:04 PM


Here s the only issue I have with spraying…I have a basement shop so I really think id rather go with the water based stuff because of the fumes, I do have an exhaust fan set up but I still don t have really good ventilation. This is why I m really starting to think the General Finish stuff would be best for me.

- Sawdustmaker115


Wise move -
I spray the Deft Brushing lacquer. I just thin it ~1/3 with lacquer thinner, and spray with a HF gravity feed HVLP gun. works great but I am in the garage – - with a wind baffle and still get complaints about the smell to the house.

I’ve heard only good things about the General Finishes products in general But I have never sprayed waterbase…. so factor that into my $0.02. I havent tried the wb lacquer because i am a slacker on thorough gun cleaning. Waterbase lacquer once dry isnt dissolved by lacquer thinner. So i can just dump a little laxquer thinner in the cup and dissolve old lacquer now i would be screwed if i didnt clean the gum with WB

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