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08-26-2015 01:24 PM

Topic tags/keywords: craftsman tablesaw question tip trick jig resource

Hi All!

It seems a fair number of us own one of these saws- myself included. I thought I’d start a thread where we could gather all of the tips/tricks/adds/subtractions/what works/what doesn’t work/etc in one somewhat easy to find spot. At least it seems like a good idea :D

To start off – has anyone found a decent ZCI?? I keep striking out on the after market ones and I can’t seem to find thin enough material to make one. I’ve got to be missing something!

-- Beka/Becky - aspiring jill of all trades, still learning to not read the directions.


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#1 posted 08-26-2015 01:28 PM

Leecraft CR-1.

I have about 10 home made ones for dados of various widths and angles. Some are plywood, the rest are corian scraps I bought off eBay. I use a router to make a rabbet for the thinner lip. I use hot glue gone to level.

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#2 posted 08-26-2015 01:30 PM

I made one for my 113 out of 1/4” Luann Plywood. Had to rebate the underside to fit down in the top. Added the keyhole for the bolt to hold it in place. Used a metal clip from a tape measure ( Get a small CHEAP tape measure @ OddLots) to attach the far end.

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#3 posted 08-26-2015 05:37 PM

It might help if you specify which Emerson model you are referring to, as there is no one single ‘113’ saw model. Those Craftsman badged Emerson saws were sold for about 50 years, and while a lot of people tend to think of the ubiquitous contractor saw as the ‘113’ model, they made a lot of different saws – ranging from small benchtops to full size cabinet saws – all with the ‘113’ designation.

Cheers,
Brad

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#4 posted 08-26-2015 05:42 PM

There was a Craftsman 113 cabinet saw? I didn’t know that.

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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#5 posted 08-26-2015 05:42 PM

Does the inserts look like this?

Others were a rectangle shape. The two 113s that went through the shop, and merged into one saw, had the long oval style. The older one was a bit longer.

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#6 posted 08-26-2015 05:48 PM

Leecraft ZCI dimensions:

Model #CR-1 14”L x 3-3/4”W x 3/16” Thick – Fits Sears CRAFTSMAN 10” belt-drive models 1977 to mid 2004 (Check size, see DL-1U), RIDGID TS2412, TS2424, TS2400, TS3612 (Please Note: CR-1 does not fit models TS2400LS, TS2400-1 or the new TS2410)

Model #CR-2 14-3/8”L x 3-3/4”W x 3/16” Thick – Fits Sears CRAFTSMAN, Older 10” belt-drive, Including models: 113.29901, 113.29903, 113.299040, 113.29943, 113.299142

Model #CR-3 14-3/8”L x 3-3/4”W x 3/32” Thick – Fits Sears CRAFTSMAN, Vintage 10” belt-drive, including models: 103.29992, 113.27520, 113.27610, 113.27970, 113.29920, 113.29990, 113.29991, 113.29992

Model #CR-4 15-1/8” x 4-1/8”W x 1/8”T Fit Sears CRAFTSMAN #351.218330, Dayton 4KXD1, Grizzly G0715P and Masterforce 240-0036.

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#7 posted 08-26-2015 06:09 PM

Just thought that I’d add that many of the parts from the 113.###### series of Emerson made full size contractor saws are interchangeable with the Emerson made Ridgid contractor saws made from ~1997 to ~ 2003…TS2412, TS2424, and TS3612.

You might find some parts interchangeable with the TTI/Ryobi made 315 series, and the TTI/Ryobi Ridgid made saws too (TS3650/3660), but proceed with more caution and double check (ie: I know the blade guard mounting bracket from the 113 is not interchangeable with the 315 bracket, but I think the fences are… wings and the motor mounts might be too.)

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#8 posted 08-26-2015 06:32 PM

There was a Craftsman 113 cabinet saw? I didn t know that.

Here is one listed at the vintagemachinery site:

In 1962, Emerson bought the King-Seeley designs, patents and tooling used for their Craftsman branded tools, which until then were the only company making cabinet saws for Sears.

Cheers,
Brad

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#9 posted 08-26-2015 07:02 PM

wadda you know.

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#10 posted 08-27-2015 12:13 AM

While that is a nice looking saw, I think the motor hangs off the back. My understanding of cabinet saws puts the motor inside the cabinet and the motor at 3 hp or more.

Edit to add the real reason I replied (I have CRS): I’ve used 3/16” thick polycarbonate for inserts on these saws. A 1” wide “rib” can be added longitudinally to the bottom center with some small countersunk screws.

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#11 posted 08-27-2015 01:18 AM

Woodcraft has ZCI for craftsman.

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#12 posted 08-27-2015 05:28 AM

Thanks all!

@Bandit yeah but the one with the thinner opening

@Charles thanks! Mine may be the last one as I have a direct drive not a belt driven.

-- Beka/Becky - aspiring jill of all trades, still learning to not read the directions.

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#13 posted 08-27-2015 03:09 PM

What is the best way people have found for making ZCI for this saw?

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#14 posted 08-27-2015 03:13 PM

@Bob – the screws go through the metal plate and polycarbonate from the top – I’m assuming?

-- Beka/Becky - aspiring jill of all trades, still learning to not read the directions.

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#15 posted 08-27-2015 03:14 PM

I have kind of an ugly, but effective method. I use double-sided tape to tape a correctly sized one to a blank and do that to get an exact outside dimensions. I tend to use thicker stock than the original metal insert (much like the aftermarket ZCI’s), so I then set a router bit to the height to remove the outer lower ring and with remove that freehand (with pin to press against to stabilize it). It’s not pretty on the bottom, but it will fit perfect. I usually but a nail in at an angle at the back to hold it in place, similar to the lip on the Leecraft.

When I make one, I usually make several since the setup takes longer than the construction.

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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