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Forum topic by jaysuzi posted 08-20-2015 01:18 PM 1057 views 0 times favorited 21 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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jaysuzi

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08-20-2015 01:18 PM

I know this is a common topic, but I would like some advice on the purchase of my next table saw. I currently have a Ridgid R4512. It is an OK saw, but I am looking for an upgrade. I am only a hobbyist and make mostly small projects, however, I am in shop almost every weekend and feel that an upgrade is worth it as I am planning on using it for many years to come. I currently have a small shop, so my router table is a wing of my table saw. I really don’t have room for a dedicated router table, so that will need to be true with my new saw too.

Here is what I am considering. The prices come just from Rockler and Grizzly and consider shipping and tax. I may be able to save a few dollars, but this give me a pretty good idea.

Laguna Tools Fusion Series – $1450 Pros: Good review. Wired for 110

Grizzly G1023RLWX – $1628 + having to have 220 line run Pros: I have seen a lot of good things said about this saw. 5 HP (I don’t need this much, but it is basically the same price as the 3 HP). Router table extension. This is the one that I have been admiring for awhile

Powermatic PM1000 – $2215 Pros: The gold standard – known to be built very well. Wired for 110. Nice trunnion design Cons: The price is stretching my budget

Saw Stop 1.75HP – $2687 + dado set brake Pros: Added because of the safety feature. In reality, this is only a small insurance policy in my shop. There are still plenty of tools that I can get hurt on. Cons: This is really out of my price range and most likely will come off of my list.
People tend to be in two camps – either love Saw Stop or are anti-Saw Stop.

Any help and opinions are greatly appreciated.
Any one want to help me move it to my basement :-)

-- Jay in Pennsylvania, http://hobby4charity.org/


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johnstoneb

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#1 posted 08-20-2015 02:10 PM

I just replaced my Craftsman contractor saw with a Sawstop contractor’s saw. I replaced it simply because of the technology. There are a lot of tool that can hurt you in the shop but none can do it as fast and seriously as a table saw.
You say you are a hobbyist and make mostly small projects You really don’t need a cabinet saw. Put a T-glide fence on the Sawstop contractor saw ($1799) and you have all the saw you will ever need. I found once I got a table for my router I have never used my dado set. Currently Sawstop is setting the standard for quality. Don’t throw that Sawstop out yet.
I would take another look at what you really need saw wise. I really wanted a cabinet saw but when I finally sat down and realy looke at what I needed versus what I wanted. I couldn’t justify the cabinet saw. I still want one but I would have to drastically change what I do to actually be able to justify one. You can still mount your router as an extension on the contractor saw.

-- Bruce, Boise, ID

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WhyMe

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#2 posted 08-20-2015 02:15 PM

I’d consider this Delta….... Couple notable things is it has cast iron wings plus one piece rails.
http://www.amazon.com/Delta-Power-36-5152-52-Inch-10-Inch/dp/B00LHUWDBG/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1440080084&sr=1-1&keywords=36-5152

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jaysuzi

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#3 posted 08-20-2015 02:54 PM

Bruce and WhyMe
Thank you both for the added saws to consider – you are not making this easy on me :-)

John – yes, I agree, I do not need a cabinet saw, I was thinking if I was going to upgrade my existing contractor saw, that it is a want. I have also been spoiled in the past by having access to a cabinet table saw and appreciating the accuracy and quality. I did take another look at the Sawstop contractor saw and can see that it is a quality machine. I would want to go with the T-glide and probably the cast iron wings, which brings me to 2000+, but it is a good option to consider.

Also, I checked out your latest project – I have two of those same easels gluing up in my shop right now.

WhyMe – thank you for giving me a Delta option in my price range to consider. Another brand that has been making quality table saws for a long time.

All – please keep those responses coming. I really do appreciate it.

-- Jay in Pennsylvania, http://hobby4charity.org/

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Fred Hargis

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#4 posted 08-20-2015 03:16 PM

Is used not a possibility? I’ve seen a couple of the SS 1.75 HP saws come up for sale within driving distance. Might get a little more saw for less money. of course, going that way might test your patience.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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jaysuzi

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#5 posted 08-20-2015 04:02 PM

Thanks Fred – I’ve been down that road in the past, sometimes it is worth it. Mostly on newer equipment it is not worth the headaches for what you save.

-- Jay in Pennsylvania, http://hobby4charity.org/

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johnstoneb

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#6 posted 08-20-2015 04:37 PM

Thanks on the easels. They are real popular with a couple of grand kids and their parents.
Iknow what you are talking accuracy. I was looking hard for a Unisaw when I put a Delta T2 fence on my Craftsman and that took me out of looking hard for a unisaw. That fence and Incra miter guage made a saw out of that craftsman.
The reason I got the Sawstop was an accident I had on my drill press. I was cutting an arc with a 4” hole saw. I had everything clamped down made the first cut half way through like cutting butter. I unclamped, turned over, lined up, grabbed the wood with my left, turned the drill press on and brought the hole saw down against the wood and Bam, I had a gash in my thumb. I had forgotten to put the clamps back on the work piece. I have always been one to let go and get away but this happened so fast. It didn’t stop bleeding as fast as I thought it should. Iwas home alone, drove to emergency room got 4 stiches. And started thinking, about being in shop and home alone. What if that had been tablesaw instead of drill press. That could have been fingers or partial hand severed and no way to get help.
A couple of months later I came into the money and bought the Sawstop. I still watch that bladebut in the back of my mind I feel better.

-- Bruce, Boise, ID

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Rob

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#7 posted 08-20-2015 04:52 PM

Everyone who is anti-SawStop is against them for political reasons or pride, not for the quality of the saw. Yes, Steve Gass cares more about money than saving fingers, but that’s his right and his company makes good saws. You’re making this decision for yourself, so there’s no point in getting caught up in the political debate.

If you can swing it, the blade brake is nice for peace of mind.

Another popular alternative is a sliding table saw, which keeps you far away from the blade but takes up more space. You can get some of the same advantages of a sliding table from a sled with a back fence and adjustable hold-downs.

-- Ask an expert or be the expert - http://woodworking.stackexchange.com

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TheFridge

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#8 posted 08-20-2015 05:08 PM

I had a great craftsman contractor saw with a new fence.

Not in the same league as my unisaw. It is a machine.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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Bill White

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#9 posted 08-20-2015 05:47 PM

I wouldn’t touch anything from today’s Delta. Too much commenting about lack of support from tech and supply for parts. Older one ya might be ok.
Bill

-- bill@magraphics.us

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jaysuzi

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#10 posted 08-20-2015 05:48 PM

More great comments.
Rob – I agree, I know that most of the Anti-SawStop is coming from the political reasons and maybe experience with some of their early saws. Their quality has greatly improved. My only hesitation is the high cost. The new saw would be an easier sell to my wife if it was a SawStop as she appreciates the safety feature.

The sliding table saw will not work in my shop – I can’t spare the space, but I do use my sled a lot.

Bruce, my close call was with a miter saw. It was many years ago when I was working as quality control in a particleboard plant. I was doing something that I did several times a day, cutting some blocks, but this time it was a returned piece with laminate on it. I wasn’t using a hold down and my left hand slipped towards the blade as I came down with the blade. No blood involved, but my hand stopped a fraction from the blade.

The Delta Unisaw didn’t make my list because of the price even though it is a great saw. The only reason I would spend that much would be for the added safety of the SawStop.

-- Jay in Pennsylvania, http://hobby4charity.org/

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WhyMe

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#11 posted 08-20-2015 07:50 PM


I wouldn t touch anything from today s Delta. Too much commenting about lack of support from tech and supply for parts. Older one ya might be ok.
Bill

- Bill White

I going to be the counterpoint to Bill’s comment. I’ve had first hand experience with Delta’s tech support and parts supply and I can say I got excellent support and parts were available. I know up front the Delta 36-725 table saw sold by Lowes had part supply issues because Delta got caught by surprise how well the saw was selling. At first there was an issue with the blade throat plate and there was a back order delay for replacement. From my experience I would not hesitate buying a new Delta power tool.

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TheFridge

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#12 posted 08-20-2015 08:08 PM

Just saying that once you work with a cabinet saw, a contractors saw is rickety in comparison.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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jaysuzi

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#13 posted 08-20-2015 09:14 PM

TheFridge – I hear you. I used one at my job years ago. Then I changed lines of work and now only use tools as a hobby. I first had a very cheap bench top Craftsmen table saw, then big improvement with my Rigid contract saw, but I know what a good saw can do.

Also, you crack me up with your signature line and I hope you aren’t drinking Pabst – if so, I need to introduce you to some good PA beer – Yuengling

-- Jay in Pennsylvania, http://hobby4charity.org/

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01ntrain

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#14 posted 08-20-2015 09:32 PM

Hey now, don’t start knocking Pabst. Since they’ve changed the recipe, it’s become a good, cheap beer again. Just like Yuengling is for you snobs on the East Coast. LOL

P.S. I like both….

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buildingmonkey

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#15 posted 09-04-2015 01:49 AM

I would watch woodweb and clist and try to find a small sliding table saw. They really do not take up any more room than a cabinet saw. Woodweb occasionally has a Hammer TS that is 3 or 4 years old, and the widow is selling out the shop equipment for half of new price. Have seen some screaming deals on sawmill creek classifieds. Of course, I saw these great deals right after I bought a new Hammer table saw. MiniMax also has great small sliders. The local nextech classifieds have been advertising a Laguna slider for some time.

-- Jim from Kansas

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