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08-17-2015 01:12 PM |
Thinking of getting a CNC machine, more of a fun new toy that a necessity, so not looking to spend a ton of money. The Shapeoko 3 and X-carve both seem to fit the bill. Does anyone have any strong feelings for or against these 2 machines? |
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#1 posted 08-17-2015 02:27 PM |
Ya know I’ve been looking at that x-carve as well. 1200 is pretty good. I’ve been wanting to jump into cnc, and looked a kits, commerical ones, and used ones. I’ll be interested in the responses you get. I’m curious if the x-carve could stand up to a long job. It seams those air cooled spindles might not stand up to the stress. -- Sooner or later Liberals run out of other people's money. |
#2 posted 08-17-2015 02:32 PM |
I have no first hand experience. I listen to the Wood Talk podcast every week with Mark Spagnolo and a couple of other guys. Matt, I believe, was given an X-Carve to try and be eventually gave up the on it. Take it for what it’s worth. -- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson |
#3 posted 08-17-2015 08:30 PM |
I heard that podcast as well, it was David Picciuto that gave up on the x-carve. He was pretty pumped about it when he first got it and even posted a video on it. Look here, https://drunkenwoodworker.com/tutorials/cnc-projects Scott Pearson |
#4 posted 08-17-2015 08:45 PM |
Thanks, Scott. -- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson |
#5 posted 08-17-2015 08:58 PM |
I have had my x-carve for about two weeks. I haven’t gotten to play with it much but putting it together was very straightforward in most cases. I haven’t soldered before so there was a learning curve with that and I’m not sure I did it well since my limit switches do not seem to work like they should. I would reiterate what a lot of people have said (including Matt Vanderlist from the WoodTalk podcast- this could be a great tool if you’re someone who has the time to dedicate to tweaking it and learning it- you just have to be that kind of person) I purchased the 500mm x 500mm setup |
#6 posted 08-19-2015 12:31 PM |
now that is a subject I feel I can talk about. Shapeoko 3 Shapeoko 3 have the particularity to have very big rails (aluminium extrusions). It is meant for you if you want a large machine (=extend the working zone) In the cases of shapeoko 3 and XCarve, I would advise to take a palm/trim router, not a spindle. If you’re not too much hands on, go for a carvey. But your working zone will be small. It’s completely plug and play, completely enclosed. you might even be able to have it running in your living room. Last thing I should mention, shapeoko and xcarve are one of those project where you want to have people answering your doubt and questions. Those have a large community around them with forums and places where you can post your question and some guy will answer you, explain you, show you some photos, etc. |
#7 posted 08-19-2015 12:35 PM |
Thanks for the thoughtful response Chris. I ended up ordering the Shapeoko 3 yesterday, delivery scheduled for mid September. This is my first time dipping my toe into the CNC world, so the user community for the Shapeoko along w/ the rigidity/expand-ability were my deciding factors. Do you have any recommendations on what I should be looking for in free CAD/CAM software? I actually started my college career many moons ago as a mech engineer and took a few classes on Microstation and became comfortable in autoCAD, but its been 15 yrs since I even thought about touch that software. |
#8 posted 08-19-2015 12:50 PM |
Hey Marcus, So here you’re talking about your software workflow. Idea generation : paper and pencil. eventually a sharpie ;) Proper design on computer (CAD) : Inkscape and LibreCAD are free I think. Some people also use Adobe Illustrator.
For 3D design, sketchup is free. I’ve heard also about FreeCAD, OpenSCAD, TinkerCAD, DraftSight Toolpath generation (CAM) : MakerCAM is the only free soft I know of. HeeksCNC, PyCAM, GCAM are other names but you would need to check. CamBAM is good but commercial product. Communication software : carbide motion or universal-g-code-sender (UGS) ... but this will depend on the board you choose to control the motors Then they also have the soft called easel. It started with carvey, but can also be used with other machines (from what I know any that will run on GRBL electronic firmware). This soft is design + toolpath + communication … plus you see what you plank will look like once the CNC magic will happen. EDIT: I forgot to give my personnal “advise”. I usually draw directly in CAMBAM. Or I have something whereI want precision, and I’ll draw in AutoCAD. If my wife has a drawing, then we’ll scan it and put it through inkscape to end up with the correct vectorized file format. Then for the CAM step, I use CAMBAM. and for the communication I use UGS because my shapeoko 2 is running on a standard arduino+grbl shield (protoneer if you want to know). For the CAD tools as you understood it’s more if I need something quickly done, or for precision or for flexibility. and for the CAM step, well CAMBAM worked ok and I didn’t like the other ones. However I should mention that Cambam need some time to get your hands on it, practice it, put in your parameters, etc. |
#9 posted 08-19-2015 01:32 PM |
I plan to also order a Shapeoko 3 once they offer the extension kits. From what I gather, the blog states they should be available “this fall.” Hopefully sooner than later, I have been chomping at the bit to get into the CNC game! I am in IT by trade, and a woodworker for fun. CNC is right up my ally! |
#10 posted 08-19-2015 03:37 PM |
ste6168: You can buy 80/20 and make your own ext.,that’s all the rails are. |
#11 posted 08-19-2015 06:49 PM |
I’ve got the shapeoko 2, it’s not bad for the money but I don’t use it much because I haven’t had time to figure out the design/cad process. Thought about selling it so I could buy a drum sander since I’d use that more, anyone want to trade? haha |
#12 posted 08-25-2015 05:29 PM |
david piccito hasnt given up on his Xcarve. he still uses it. his latest video using it he made a guitar, must have been someone else you heard |
#13 posted 08-25-2015 05:30 PM |
It was Matt Vanderlist. -- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson |
#14 posted 08-26-2015 04:57 PM |
The Shapeoko 3’s rails are a custom extrusion, 85×55mm, plus the Vs (top and bottom, one each). Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem to be feasible to make up an equivalent replacement using a commodity extrusion and added rails—- I’d love to be wrong though—- did I miss something? |
#15 posted 10-05-2015 05:04 PM |
How much are you looking to sell it for? If you decide you want to keep it though I’d love to see it in action some time as I’ve been sitting on the fence about buying the xCarve since it was announced. |
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