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Forum topic by Chubbz posted 08-11-2015 03:50 AM 644 views 0 times favorited 8 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Chubbz

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08-11-2015 03:50 AM

Hello everyone! I’ve been on the forums for awhile but never have created an account until now.

Just a quick history on me and my woodworking skills. My father is a carpenter and both my grandfathers were master carpenters. Seems fitting that I picked it up as well. I have dabbled with woodworking for a couple years now. Mainly outfitting my garage shop and building a few things here and there for the house. The bulk of my time goes to remolding our house.

On to my question -

Currently I own a Rigid R4512 table saw that I bought at a local HD store for 30% off. As my first table saw I couldn’t beat the deal and my wife was willing to let me have it. Mine does have a similar alignment issue that most people talk about, but it seems mine isn’t as bad. When the blade is rotated down the blade kicks out but soon as it is rotated up the blade kicks right back to the original spot. I’ve measured this with a dial indicator and it hits the original spot every time. This is a decent saw to begin with, but now i have a few issues with it.

1. The fence (I’ve looked into replacing the fence, but do I really want to invest in a new fence on this saw?)
2. Blade alignment issue (i’ve learned to deal with it)
3. Stamped metal wings
4. Dust collection (not a huge deal )

I have narrowed down my search to a Grizzly G0715P table saw. I do not have 220V in my garage nor will I be putting 220V in my garage at this time. For what I do, I don’t see the benefit in spending that much more more to get a 3HP saw. Plus my father has a 3HP saw at his house if I had some extreme cutting to do. The G0715P would be giving me an upgraded fence system, more accurate/consistent saw, cast iron wings, and maybe increased dust collection efficiency. I already have a buyer for my current table saw so this wouldn’t be a hard swap.

My question is… instead of buying a new table saw, should i just use the money towards a bandsaw like the Grizzly G0513P/ANV? When I currently need one I will either A.) figure out a way without it or B.) put my lumber in the truck and drive the 15 minute trip to my dad’s to use his.

Thanks in advanced!


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TheFridge

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#1 posted 08-11-2015 04:12 AM

I can do without a bandsaw. Not a tablesaw.

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MikesProjects

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#2 posted 08-11-2015 05:11 AM

Yeah, get the table saw now, sell the old one & dont be shy about finding a used 90’s delta bandsaw in the classifieds sometime later, you may be able to get a 14” for $200ish if you just look…. The table saw imo is way more important.

-- -Mike, Southern California, YouTube User ( Give & Take )

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rg33

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#3 posted 08-11-2015 06:06 AM

I’m going to have to politely disagree with the others. I say go for the bandsaw. Here’s why:

I also have the R4512 and like you the alignment issue is either non-existent on mine or has always gone away when I bring the blade up. With a little TLC this saw has never failed me. The fence gets a bad rap but honestly I dont know why, if you spend the time to properly align it, it really does its job well. Ive had mine for about 3 years, use it weekly and just yesterday I measured a cut piece that was within .003” of intended size and when I followed it with a cross-cut on my sled was dead on square; this is after 3 years of initial alignment! My point here is that for the foreseeable future this saw will keep up with you. I too knew when I bought it that I would eventually want to upgrade, but when I do it will be to something like an 0690 or a 1023 that has cabinet mounted trunnions and the extra HP. If you look at the specs on the 0715 you will find that its a contractor saw with a cabinet fit around it. While it will certainly be a nice step above the R4512 with a much nicer fence it still has table top mounted trunnions and on the short term IMO you can do much better with a bandsaw instead.

I currently own the polar bear version of the 555 and also have nothing but good stuff to say about it. Do a quick google search and you will find that a bandsaw is quite possibly the most versatile of all stationary tools. At first I was using mine for cutting curves but have found a new respect for its resawing capabilities. With my 555 Ive resawn 5 quarter cherry and oak 5-6” tall so straight that I can get two 1/2” thick pieces out of it. Try doing that with even the best of table saws…Besides, this summer Grizzly has a sale on their 30th edition souped up version of this bandsaw. If you can live with the black color scheme this is a steal with free shipping at $545

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knotscott

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#4 posted 08-11-2015 09:37 AM

TS and BS both have unique capabilities, as well as some overlap. A TS is capable of some really straight smooth lines, whereas a BS excels at curves. A cut from a BS can be sort of straight, but will need to be treated prior to glueup, whereas a decent TS with a decent blade can go straight from the saw to glue up. I think adding a BS to your arsenal in addition to a TS will expand your capabilities overall, but by itself isn’t a great solo replacement….you’ll need to smooth and straight edges after a cut, which means adding a hand plane, planer, jointer, sander, etc.

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Chubbz

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#5 posted 08-11-2015 11:55 AM

Thanks for the responses!


I also have the R4512 and like you the alignment issue is either non-existent on mine or has always gone away when I bring the blade up. With a little TLC this saw has never failed me. The fence gets a bad rap but honestly I dont know why, if you spend the time to properly align it, it really does its job well. Ive had mine for about 3 years, use it weekly and just yesterday I measured a cut piece that was within .003” of intended size and when I followed it with a cross-cut on my sled was dead on square; this is after 3 years of initial alignment!

- rg33

Pretty much exactly how mine is. But I argue with my fence… I set it to one thing by the tape on the rail and measures to something else to the blade. Not talking a lot but perhaps 1/16” to 1/8”. This is even after realigning it. I believe ,imo, that the table saw is the center of the shop. Good portion of my work is done on the table saw. As so, it should be the tool I am able to use with ease/confidence and not argue with.

I never really knew the full range of what a bandsaw could do until I watched Jimmy Diresta’s bandsaw tips. I definitely see the need for a bandsaw but like Mike said, I could find a great 90’s delta bandsaw on the cheap if i get lucky with craigslist.

I think I’ll go for upgrading the table saw. Plus the guy wanting to buy my R4512 is currently using an old 70’s direct drive table saw with zero safety devices. I cringe everytime I see him jolt the thing alive.

Thanks for the advice!

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KellyB

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#6 posted 08-11-2015 12:58 PM

I can’t speak to the tablesaw vs bandsaw point, but when I recently bought my Grizzly 1023RL, I considered the 0715P.

It apparently has alignment problems much like the one you describe with your Rigid, and when I spoke with a tech rep at Grizzly, he admitted that they had not corrected that problem in the 0715P.

Just FYI.

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Richard H

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#7 posted 08-11-2015 01:20 PM

I think the question of bandsaw vs tablesaw is hard to answer because it’s going to depend on what kind of work you do. If most of what you did was construction of carcass’s a tablesaw would be my choice hands down as it really excels at handing the panels used in that kind of work. However if it was smaller projects with a lot of odd shaped pieces I would probably suggest a bandsaw would be a better choice. Both tools can work as a only stationary ripping solution but if you only have one or the other you will need to come up with handheld alternatives to doing the job the other is designed for. It’s really a question of which would you use more and which would you rather have to dig out jigs and handheld tools to do when needed? After all you can do nearly everything both tools can do with handheld tools if you are patient enough. The real advantage of a stationary tool is it’s always setup and ready to go when needed.

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jonah

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#8 posted 08-11-2015 01:27 PM

The 715 is barely an upgrade from your Ridgid. I’d stick with the 4512 and get a band saw.

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